On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 20:45:46 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Neal Gompa wrote:
In my experience in the Linux Discord communities (especially the openSUSE one), I have dealt with *many* complaints about the mailing lists, and people being afraid to contribute because of how people respond on the lists.
Is there an archive anywhere where one can go educate oneself in this respect? I find it quite odd that someone should refrain from contributing just because of a poor response on a mailing list.
Personally speaking, my "itch" does not subside just because I am poorly received somewhere, I still wanna scratch it :-)
Neal, IMHO it is just a little too easy to announce that you "have dealt with *many* complaints about the mailing lists" and then scolding the mailing list members without any further evidence.
Each communication channel has it's own "atmosphere", some are tough and direct, others less so. There are learning curves, we all have to scale them.
I don't personally have one that I can offer, most of it was through private chats on Discord, but it has also come up in the main channels on the openSUSE Discord community. Myself, Stasiek, Knurpht, and Maurizio have talked to people publicly and privately about it. As the public chats are indexed and searchable from the Discord client, you can search for discussions about this there.
Neal, I think it is actually up to you (or Stasiek, Knurpht or Maurizio) to offer some plain URLs to those chats you are talking about. That is a far more friendly way to enable communication than to ask me to use "the Discord client".
The point is not what people say about the ML on another platform but us trying to be more inclusive and less hostile. Some felt that we don't do this well enough and felt they had to leave. I wish we can focus on that and discuss ways to do better instead of posting URLs. Enough people in this thread have already spoken about the issue.
BTW, I have also heard *many* complaints about the Discord channels, what would be a suitable place to bring those up? I am sure you will understand what I mean.
Complaints can reported to the moderators and if that is not enough the openSUSE Board. Ultimately if neither of those option is suitable, you can report abuses etc directly to Discord within the UI. -- Maurizio Galli (m4u9) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce