On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:38:22 -0500, Rajko wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:43:50 -0500, Rajko wrote:
Also, complicated sign up form did not prevent spam on the wiki.
Are you really saying that in order to be an effective anti-spam deterrent, it has to prevent 100% of spam posted on the wiki?
Absolutely not. Whether we like it or not spam is part of online business and even complicated form did not prevent it. In other words it is useless as a deterrent.
You have no data that I am aware of (as I'm not sure how you'd gather it) to demonstrate that the level of spam isn't lower than it would be with a simpler process. Of course, if you do, feel free to share it. I'd be interested in how you gathered it.
It is a matter or motivation, and my view is that we lose more regular users and small contributors that come to help, or for help, and have weaker motivation then spammers to fill unwieldy long form. Spammer get paid, or at least think that he can make money from spam, while small contributor is not pressed to put up with long form.
Spammers don't tend to survive very long, and taking time to fill out a form when their spam is being deleted pretty rapidly is a waste of time. I'm happy to waste their time, if it means less spam overall.
I feel silly to ask for fix, as it is not fixed for a very long time. It seems that no one finds such stuff pressing. Replacing few links seems to be very complicated process.
I don't think it's really that big of a deal. I'm for the shorter form, as I said, *but* its easy to fill out a long form with fake information, too.
We see a fair amount of web-based forum spam on the forums, even with the long registration process, but it's very likely less than we would see with the "easy" form. Of course there's no easy way to tell for certain.
Well, with more users it would be easier and faster to remove it and keep forums clean. Spammers don't like sites that promptly remove web spam; it is not worth effort to post anything if it will live so short that search engines will not pick it up.
It's even worth less if registration takes too long.
BTW, our rank on Alexa is lower then ever. Global rank is now 11,300 while it was for years around 8000 (smaller is better).
I'm not sure why I should care about Alexa rankings any more than I should care about our distrowatch ranking.
FWIW, I'm in favor of the shorter form myself, and am not sure why that didn't get changed the last time this topic came around on the mailing lists.
For one, short form is old ICSLogin which should have been retired some time ago, but obviously it is not.
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