On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:38:22 -0500, Rajko wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:39:59 +0000 (UTC)
Jim Henderson <hendersj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:43:50 -0500, Rajko wrote:
Also, complicated sign up form did not prevent
spam on the wiki.
Are you really saying that in order to be an effective anti-spam
deterrent, it has to prevent 100% of spam posted on the wiki?
Whether we like it or not spam is part of online business and even
complicated form did not prevent it. In other words it is useless as a
You have no data that I am aware of (as I'm not sure how you'd gather it)
to demonstrate that the level of spam isn't lower than it would be with a
Of course, if you do, feel free to share it. I'd be interested in how
you gathered it.
It is a matter or motivation, and my view is that we
lose more regular
users and small contributors that come to help, or for help, and have
weaker motivation then spammers to fill unwieldy long form. Spammer get
paid, or at least think that he can make money from spam, while small
contributor is not pressed to put up with long form.
Spammers don't tend to survive very long, and taking time to fill out a
form when their spam is being deleted pretty rapidly is a waste of time.
I'm happy to waste their time, if it means less spam overall.
I feel silly to ask for fix, as it is not fixed for a
very long time. It
seems that no one finds such stuff pressing. Replacing few links seems
to be very complicated process.
I don't think it's really that big of a deal. I'm for the shorter form,
as I said, *but* its easy to fill out a long form with fake information,
We see a fair
amount of web-based forum spam on the forums, even with
the long registration process, but it's very likely less than we would
see with the "easy" form. Of course there's no easy way to tell for
Well, with more users it would be easier and faster to remove it and
keep forums clean. Spammers don't like sites that promptly remove web
spam; it is not worth effort to post anything if it will live so short
that search engines will not pick it up.
It's even worth less if registration takes too long.
BTW, our rank on Alexa is lower then ever. Global rank
is now 11,300
while it was for years around 8000 (smaller is better).
I'm not sure why I should care about Alexa rankings any more than I
should care about our distrowatch ranking.
in favor of the shorter form myself, and am not sure why that
didn't get changed the last time this topic came around on the mailing
For one, short form is old ICSLogin which should have been retired some
time ago, but obviously it is not.
It was, iChain (which used ICSLogin) is a retired product, and was
replaced by Access Manager.
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