I meant that it is not possible to _effectively_ require that people maintain some (inherently subjective) standard of civility in a forum that is open to all and which attracts hundreds or thousands of participants.
I believe it's possible, Ubuntu is already at that kind of level, and certainly is managing it.
Not true. Not everyone deserves respect. It's reasonable to expect a minimal degree of respect from someone you don't know as a kind of default, but over time, an individual either earns respect by their conduct or does not.
You should respect anyone that contributes something to the project, no matter how small it may be. That should demand respect from others, if nothing else. Wanting to see OpenSUSE do better is another good reason to respect everyone, they have the same overall goal as you.
Can you support this claim? It seems foolish to me. I would rather be chastised by someone who knows what they're talking about if I ask questions stupidly than I would hang around with a bunch of people who won't call a spade a spade.
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7543606709.html will have to do, as I can't find Scott James Remnants blog on the topic... it links to Matthew Garretts blog though. It lists several situations where bickering and general lack of respect caused friction, and has a few examples of prominent developers going elsewhere (Scott for instance wrote dpkg, so he was a pretty big deal to Debian). There are lots of user blogs out there too, but those aren't as important as this I think.
But now you're back to talking about principals, not the general user community, which is why I asked you if any openSUSE project participant had offended you.
3-4 of the ops in #opensuse over the course of years, I rarely stick around because I get sick of their attitudes. I'd rather not make this a personal discussion though, it will go no where good if that occurs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org