Hi On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Robert Schweikert <rjschwei@suse.com> wrote:
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On 06/15/2015 01:42 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 15/06/2015 19:03, Robert Schweikert a écrit :
At some point we have to let the stuff that happened 6,7,8, years ago be water under the bridge and focus on the state of the project now.
may be.
but developing is not all what have to be done,
Correct! However the same applies.
Take the recent membership discussion as an example where I pleaded 4 or more times for someone to "just do it", i.e. change the page that was offensive enough to start a lengthy debate. No one stepped up. When I was sufficiently annoyed to make changes and presented those no one actually commented on the changes. People continued to discuss about whatever....
Certainly I was surprised that I had permissions to change the page, but hey I tried and it worked.
I am not saying that the discussion that happened was pointless or unnecessary. The discussion brought the most important concerns to the fore and then it needed acting upon. That's where things fall down, too many people yacking and not enough people doing stuff.
and if the wiki team an marketing team are vanishing, may be it's because they feel a bit ignored?
Very well said!!! This is actually like slow poisoning and a vicious circle that we are trapped into. Everyone has recognized that if called for help, the marketing will probably not help, partly because everyone is in their own world. Some have just carved out their own space and figured out areas that they are comfortable at. A quick look at the mailing lists show that : opensuse-artwork has not been active since April opensuse-wiki is well almost dead.
Maybe, then those that are active in that area and recognize the problem should be doing something about it rather than waiting for others to do something about it.
No one knows who is active anymore. Have you thought about why these teams are not working? 1. For marketing, there is no action plan, Out of the blue people are told, ok this is what is the new requirement. With every change in reschedule, the marketing list is not informed, nor is the project list where we have the non-developers too. (For example, openSUSE 42). I am not debating if it was the right decision or not, but what I am saying is we as a community are certainly not inclusive. 2. The project meeting was changed to call basis and there was no announcement at all. Not everyone follows the wiki. The people who made this decision to inform it publicly at least. 3. "Just do it!!" does not work always, I am sorry. "Just do it!!" sometimes comes off as more aggressive than it is intended to be. A better paraphrase maybe "If you are willing to do it, I can help you in getting the proper resources". I was glad that I met Bryen, who helped me around openSUSE that I helped a lot with Marketing. 4. Decision making, we bank on meritocracy right. So people who develop have a say in whatever they do. Perfectly fine, awesome, agreed. However, we are not a traditional open source project like Linux. While we have a lot of development stuff around, we need to focus heavily on : 1. Marketing 2. Artwork 3. Documentation 4. Forums and so on. If you ask the people contributing over these areas to fix a bug, the community is actually pushing these very people away. Further, involving these people only in the elections does not empower them automatically as the Board is not involved in any decision making process. However, involving them in project related changes makes them feel part of the community.
Later, Robert
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