-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/16/2015 05:57 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 06/16/2015 02:51 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Robert Schweikert wrote:
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On 06/14/2015 02:41 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On Thu, 2015-06-11 at 20:45 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: > > To maintain a living, thriving community, the community > has to be in charge, completely. The community has to > have complete ownership of their "baby". In my > opinion, that is not situation at openSUSE. I am > deliberately not judging whether that is good or bad, I > am just observing.
Sorry about my late response, on the weekend my priorities are different :-)
In which parts is this not the case?
All the admin for instance. Is anyone in the community running bugzilla for instance?
No, does anyone care to?
Over the years, I am pretty certain I have offered to do admin a number at least twice. Not bugzilla specifically, anything really. I have also proposed donating hardware to e.g. OBS, but that's not acceptable either unless it comes delivered by truck or in the form of a cheque.
Yes, a "drop it off" arrangement would be difficult, but I am pretty certain we could cover the shipping cost with "local reimbursement" money, then the hardware would get delivered with a truck ;)
I understand that the "local reimbursement" program was suspended for a while, but it is back and it should be used for things that benefit the project.
AFAIR, it's been quite a while since I made that proposal. I think my main initial intention/suggestion was to donate cycles, but when that wasn't possible/accepted, I suggested donating some physical servers that were being decommissioned. The cost in commercially shipping 500kg of 2nd hand computer hardware across an EU/non-EU border just didn't make it feasible at the time. I think the suggested alternative was "buy us some new servers instead" :-)
Maintaining infrastructure does not only cost money for the hardware, it also takes people to maintain it. If you find a sponsor that is willing to host all the machines and hand over the keys to the data center I doubt there would be a big revolt at SUSE.
We know "it also takes people to maintain it", yet volunteers from the community are not accepted.
Yes, for certain levels this is correct. Again, no one should expect that SUSE will hand over the keys to the data center.
Completely appreciated and understood. Now, how about the other levels?
There is not a board meeting I can remember where we have not talked about turning off things that are not maintained at the administration level.
TBH, I don't recall seeing that in the minutes ever. My mistake, I'll have to reread them.
- From the meeting minutes of the board face to face meeting last year:
"""" 6. Meeting with Lars
I have to comment - I see those minutes were posted to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting, but I don't see them posted to the opensuse-project mailing list where project meeting minutes usually go.
A link to those minutes was posted to -project at the time. Project meeting minutes are not posted either, only the links to the IRC logs, Thus we did not really do anything out of the ordinary.
Maybe my mistake, but I honestly can't be bothered to go polling miscellaneous websites to find stuff to do. Just as I don't go looking for opensuse "announcements" on people's personal blogs.
In this case you were not expected to poll other websites, the message showed up on -project http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2014-02/msg00049.html Sorry for being pedantic about this, but I would like to make certain that the facts are known and we are not talking around assumptions. Especially since this was a while ago. Later, Robert - -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Public Cloud Architect LINUX rjschwei@suse.com IRC: robjo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVgLSRAAoJEE4FgL32d2Uku6wH/i9fKuQlHT4BES85vVOwVo33 w/ypYIZbOiRJYGEn9ursKre3L78yRj2OOmzK1cACc4f+VnqGFqLhaTFi1vnvmPgq iMqh4npdLZwRtyWga5KiziDVYs5P67/s1IIgHjGLwecYdDOS8zbcoP5oBpRl9pIP 5AKAoQwa5vIZA88m7mhs9u6v1W4tF935ozvk/aeVAMUS3bR9b3PWKbC4EC2NQocn VuD6TWoCqd0rA7vDIOWLCLjO4kTQiaj8UKMiehq+htpDwbsQ9wm5CVjXiPKUVPB6 8rrfpi/Z22YKANNcIrDX/Xfu7FmNuVdp46cysgX/6flV7EYa6xBFqBSTg8fBXN0= =Kcj0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org