On Monday 24 November 2014 09.15:47 Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Mon, 2014-11-24 at 13:20 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
With regards to documentation, frankly I feel that *all* distros except Arch have pretty awful documentation. Ubuntu is huge and commercial, but their documentation is also horrible-- incomplete and terribly out of date. Debian's is also very lacking and assumes great technical knowledge. Only Arch is a shining star of excellent documentation. Fortunately with systemd and other projects that make the underlying system more unified across distros, I just use the Arch wiki for almost everything, and it's mostly applicable to openSUSE too.
Did you check the http://activedoc.opensuse.org/ website. Did you see that website is totally collaborative once you register and login ? Aka, to improve the doc, you can propose, comment etc ???
THIS IS EXACTLY one of the things I've been bitching about. Yet another undocumented mystery sub-domain. Want to know why nobody sticks around? It's because you have to lurk for a year or have personal connections before you can even navigate!
Stop bitching, it is not unknown really. it was rtfm.o.o then doc.o.o and as the tool change finally got activedoc but was always available First link on web search engine with "opensuse documentation" keywords Available from home page of wiki -> Portal:Documentation http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Documentation Also well known url since years doc.opensuse.org You lost this time, with a bad argument. Doc has always been visible and accessible.
I don't mean to give the wrong impression with this thread. As I mentioned, I wanted to gauge interest in fixing smallish
issues, not core, fundamental, ideological, or infrastructure-related changes. I don't think openSUSE should be a clone of Ubuntu, but
"paper-cut" there
is considerable room for improvement in terms of ease-of-use and refinement.
For sure, but as already stated, we need people interest in, that have also the strength to commitment. Sure we're legion, but we need legion^2 :-)
Thanks anyway for your report, if we're still fighting, just prove we're still alive :-)
I think we can fix all this, but when I've proposed it in the past I got resistance to the point of obstruction. Lots of people saying how it couldn't be done, only a few saying lets give it a shot. I busted my ass trying to do it (Richard Brown even provided a VPS that I couldn't remember how to use at the time) and even managed to recruit developers help from Novell! Yet we couldn't do it, because of the obstructionary nay-saying.
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