I have been in the IRC channel on freenode now for a few days, and I am utterly appalled. By FreeNode naming conventions #opensuse (which forwards to #suse) is an official project channel. I am starting to see why OpenSUSE is lacking users, the surrounding community is outright rude. The project needs to understand that such places are exactly where people first encounter Novell and OpenSUSE on a personal basis. While I understand statements made do not represent Novell, or OpenSUSE at all, the general mood in the channel has turned me away repeatedly in the past, and it will do again if nothing is done. I have used Linux for almost 10 years, people all over IRC talk bad about #debian, but they are not even half as bad as #opensuse. I would suggest contacting FreeNode and having #opensuse and #suse separated and started again, it's really appalling. OpenSUSE is technically very good, but the personal interactions with the community is what people judge a Linux distro on, look at Ubuntu, it's buggy as anything, nothing at all special about the distro, yet their channel regularly has 1500 people. Ask yourself why... it's because of the community. If nothing changes, OpenSUSE will never be a popular project, and I seem to recall that being a stated goal? If you don't know what this is about, I challenge anyone reading to just hang out in #opensuse for a few days, look at the way the project is represented there. I'm not sure if OpenSUSE has a community board or anything that is intended to mediate this sort of thing, but I think it's a serious mistake to overlook this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org