Greg KH wrote:
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 09:04:15PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Greg KH wrote:
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:31:45AM +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 11/06/2011 10:49, Per Jessen a écrit :
Same here. I would also like to say that I think going for systemd as default in 12.1 is very much bleeding edge, and maybe not entirely in line with our strategy.
By the time 12.1 comes out, we would not be the only distro shipping this, so it's not that "bleeding edge" at all.
systemd probably not, but our implementation/integration certainly.
And that is exactly what is being worked on here. How do you expect this to happen, unless people do the work? Are they not to do the work until it is magically done already for them?
Did I suggest that? No, I was merely suggesting that making systemd the default was not the right approach wrt our strategy. If there are good reasons for moving to systemd, we should certainly work on it, but that is, IMHO, not sufficient for making it the default in 12.1. Once it has been available for a while, received sufficient testing (by the many people who are eagerly awaiting the new features), then we should make it the default.
After all, judging by e.g. Frederics proposed plan as well as previous discussions, we're not exactly talking plug-compatible here.
What do you mean by "plug"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_compatible
Given that our strategy says we aim for a "stable core", changing the default for a significant core component with a bare minimum of testing doesn't seem quite the right approach.
So that means we can never change anything in the core at all? That's nonsense.
You appear to have a problem understanding my English? We can change everything and anything, but IMHO changing _defaults_ in the core requires a lot more than a bare minimum of testing.
I had many difficulties understanding inits, I'm not that impatient to learn yet an other tool (this and grub2 makes it rather frightening :-)
It should "just work" so there should not be anything you have to learn about, right?
Two many "should"s in that paragraph. IMHO.
Ok, how about I say, "it will just work so there is nothing you have to learn about".
If it "will just work", I certainly have no problem with changing it - I just have a slight problem believing that it "will just work" with only a bare minimum of testing. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org