On Monday 13 December 2010 02:00:22 Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:45:46 am Per Jessen wrote: ...
"We work in a open way" is reference to whole organization activity and results of that activity.
Term "open source project" means that project's source code is publicly available to anyone willing to accept license terms and that license is accepted as open source license. It doesn't tell anything about openness of any other part of the project.
Exactly - do you think anyone really cares much about the fact that our "open" is not quite the same as in "open source"? "open" does not imply transparent, I think it's a good idea to include transparent.
We can split the hare until we get nausea, by taking one word out of context and slapping some other word to create perception of different meanings.
I used "open way" which as combination of words includes "transparent" and implies more, so adding word transparent in that context is plain redundancy.
We can indeed keep splitting hairs (or split hares, also fun, google it hehe). I hope you feel my pain here - anytime I present something, somewhere between 3 and 5 ppl say 'nah, it should be like this'. When I take those comments into consideration and present something new - again 3-5 ppl come with something different... Rinse, repeat ad nauseam. Not that I don't like those statements - most of them are good suggestions. Ok, the bullet points I don't really agree with, it's hard to talk with bullet points ;-) So say we take The openSUSE community invites everyone that wants to work in open and friendly way to join creation of a powerful, up to date, productive Linux distribution based on Free and Open Source Software. This one is imho great. I do like flexible - you might say we're not as flexible as Gentoo or Arch, maybe not. But we are more flexible than most distro's - more well maintained desktops than anyone, choice between upstream or openSUSE packages, build service so you can put together your own mix of stable & up-to-date, YaST, zypper with the choices it offers... So I would put flexible in place of up-to-date (we're less up-to-date than most distro's with our 8 month release cycle). Then the second part, about our technology. You wrote: Our advantages are the Build Service, for simple creation of software packages or whole distributions, YaST and MirrorBrain, providing first class software management with top rated security and a strong web infrastructure covering all other aspects of software development and use. I'm less happy with that. Needs re-wording and why do we mention YaST and MirrorBrain but not KIWI or Edu LiFE, Connect, openFATE or other projects? Let's just mention BS, it's our most distinctive and well-known technology. Why not go for: We work together on collaborative infrastructure technologies like the Build Service and provide first class software management with top rated security and a strong web infrastructure covering all other aspects of software development and use. We have however diverged a lot from what we initially had, and as Henne said - it wasn't that bad: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse- project/2010-11/msg00034.html So let's do a little vote for whoever still cares: Option one: based on our current project description:
The openSUSE project is a worldwide effort that promotes the use of Linux everywhere. openSUSE maintains and develops a packaging and distribution infrastructure on which it creates one of the world's most flexible and powerful Linux distributions, working together in an open, transparent and friendly manner as part of the worldwide Free and Open Source Software community.
Option two: completely different but also good :D
The openSUSE community invites everyone that wants to work in open and friendly way to join in the creation of a powerful, up to date, productive Linux distribution based on Free and Open Source Software.
We work together on collaborative infrastructure technologies like the Build Service and provide first class software management with top rated security and a strong web infrastructure covering all other aspects of software development and use.
I don't think there is enough energy (and reason) to delay this any further - we can change sections of the final result in the future. Things change anyway so in a year we might have to do some minor modifications anyway. So whatever comes out of this little vote I will put in the final 'strategy' and present that to the openSUSE membership for voting. I know, the membership - not sure if that's the place where we must vote on this, but frankly I don't see a much better place which can't be derailed by 'outsiders'. Cheers, Jos