On 06/17/2015 02:35 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 17.06.2015 13:05, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
Given that the decision to open up the SLE sources didn't come overnight and people iniside SUSE probably knew about it for quite some time and apparently already made up their mind makes the title and content of Richard's presentation dishonest at best. There never would be an open-ended evaluation, a weighing of pros and cons with the involvement of all stakeholders of openSUSE, rather the future is already decided and those who disagree can fork their own distro. If you're wondering where the 6 weeks after the presentation you're complaining there was no discussion? You must have missed the mailing lists in great.
Just because most don't care as much as you you do doesn't make the discussions less open.
Greetings, Stephan
Hi Stephan, Personally I have the utmost respect for you and your work. I have to agree 100% with Guido here. I think that the timing of your announcement (that you will only work for the SLES based distribution) is the problem here. You announced this before going on vacation, which means at the start of the mailing list discussion (and only a few days after Richard's presentation). And this announcement left no real choice for the community: we *have to* endorse this new distribution and accept the name openSUSE given to it, else there will not be a release (or we will need to find a new release team to do so in the future). In my opinion the problem is not the technical part of this internal decision (which sounds valid) but the fact that it was done in a way to not leave any choice to the community but to accept it. I think a solution to the above problem would be: 1. The Board to announce that the new distribution will be based on SLES sources with a press release (including the technical/marketing reasons behind this), thus officially provide the "openSUSE" part of the name to it. 2. A followup decision for the release name and version (taking into account this thread - patience - I will provide my name suggestion :) 3. An acknowledgment that SUSE took the decision by having the majority of "real contributors" in the project. Lets not hide here, this is the case. The majority of "real contributors" decided. Don't try to sugarcoat it.... 4. We have to withdraw the rule that only 2 Board members can be SUSE employees. This is an illusion for the project. Everyone from the members should be able to run for the Board. And if in the future the openSUSE members are only SUSE employees, the project will be able to continue to work. As for the name of the next (SLES-based) release: my proposal is openSUSE 13.3 Let's be honest here, this is the only way a community works... Best regards, Angelos -- Angelos Tzotsos Remote Sensing Laboratory National Technical University of Athens http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org