2016-02-08 20:26 GMT+02:00 Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com>:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2016 18:48:45 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 08/02/2016 18:36, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Mon, 08 Feb 2016 17:52:34 +0100, jdd wrote:
Every member would have to pay a small fee (10€??) as membership, for each year, so we would know exactly how many people really support the "Friends". They could also donate and the money could be used to support openSUSE where it's not already done. I think of more local support (french or Vanuatu one...).
Are you talking project member, or member of the non-profit?
of the non profit, of course on a voluntary basis. Friends of and openSUSE have to keep reasonably separated - administrative separation, "Friends" have to be self organized.
the "membership", "members" word was always in search of definition :-(
let's call them "friends"
friends will have to pay a small subscription fee. More donation could accepted (according to the local laws), only in benefit of the association goals (status have to be created)
Thanks for the clarification. :)
Jim
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I honestly see no actual reason for this to be done as I nowdays see no benefit coming out of it. I was pationately supporting the openSUSE Foundation idea for many years and while I was around I talked to a lot of people of other FOSS organizations/foundations and ended up that even if magically ended up with a foundation(as it is pretty harder to be done in action than in words) many many many troubles will stand in front of us(as a community) and most of them are very hard to handle. You can start by "some" new rules you need in order for this to work and ask yourself who will write those rules (who has the capacity to do it and who doesn't and how can it be claimed and by who?). You can continue by who will found this Foundation? Should those people be the board? Even if for examples sake we say it should be the board are you sure that board members want to do it as they were not elected for something like this in the first place and are the legally can do it in a country that do not live in?. If not the board then who and again with what capacity? I can continue addressing real big problems for many pages and what will we(as a community) get from out of it? We are a great community and maybe we can solve all of the problems that will come, but are the benefits that will come out of it worth it? As an organiser of the first community oSC had a lot to do with SUSE, from standing and ask them to trust us(a bunch of volunteers from Greece) to do it outside their 'safety zone', to eventually pay for almost everything that needed for the conference. I can assure you that none of the problems we had was because of how SUSE handled things. I can also assure you that people from Dubrovnic and people from Hague will tell you the same thing. I want to end up by saying that we have things provided to us that no other upstream project can even dream and I don't know a single case that something was asked from the community and was not allowed to be done by SUSE. People who follow other upstream projects understand exactly what I am talking about. As I am a non-developer volunteer my opinion is and always was that we are here because openSUSE is good news for the people around us and we do what ever we do to spread the word around and find developer/technical people to make it even greater and more handy for us to use. I honestly try to understand what you mean by saying "most non-developers volunteers do not get any direct benefit", what would you want as a direct benefit for your contribution to the project? Don't get me wrong but you are using for Free(as in free beer in that case) a Great OS that has billions of workhours put into it and also have 'some' support with it, you get free updates,upgrades,documentation etc. while other people pay a lot of money for having much more less. It is nice to do talks like that from time to time as we should not hesitate to talk about anything. Disclaimer: All of the above are my personal opinion and do not express in any way the openSUSE Board Kostas "Warlordfff" Koudaras -- --- \m/ --- If you're not failing every now and again, it's a sign you're not doing anything very innovative. --- \m/ --- me I am not I --- \m/ --- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org