Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
[...] No, SLED is not an alternative, it's a product on its own and one of its main goals is stability. It has a much more appropriate mojo to provide that compared to openSUSE.
I think you have no idea what SLED is. It's tuned to desktop usage. However, many people need more than just an office desktop client.
+1
Yeah it would be so fabulous if openSUSE would be stable and polished, have super new software and nice glitz, but it's damned *HARD* to achieve, technically and financially. SLED has the stability and polish, and reasonably new software. openSUSE has to be the "playground and test bed for freaks". This advances the distro.
I disagree completely. Again, you seem to have no idea of real-world situations. Factory might be a playground and test bed, but certainly not the release version of openSUSE, and it's good to know that Adrian and others agree with that. I use openSUSE at home and I certainly don't want to suffer from your proposal - my systems have to function, and if openSUSE can't provide the necessary balance between stability and being up-to-date, then it's gone and replaced by something that actually works. And I know a lot of people that have already gone down that route because of the software management problems in 10.1. Don't forget what Pascal wrote yesterday: "Also wrt the reputation of openSUSE (which is very important in order to get customers for SLED/SLES IMO)." This is exactly what happened in our office at work where everything is based on RedHat releases - we tried openSUSE (10.1) and because of many problems we decided not to go any step further. Sorry Novell, you have lost one possible customer there...
Same thing happened with me. I had 20 clients/customers go th Red Hat because of SUSE 10.1. Had 10.1 been more like 10.2 they would have gone with SUSE. Saddly Novell lost a lot of customers because of the initial release of 10.1. I like the re-release. It did assist some clients to stay with SUSE, but that was because it was after the re-release that they tested SUSE. As I said on IRC I really thing 10.2 was a good release. I think it missed of few fixes that it should have had. I feel more testing would had fixed them. So I am really glad the testing has been extended. I think we need a better heads up to get bugs to a higher bug state so they get fixed before release. I think many do not understand/choose the right priority. I know I choose the lowest possible. I think some of the bugs that are marked urgent or high should be critical/show stopper. I think many do not want to add burden to the devs and thus do not attach the proper priority so they do not get fixed before release. Maybe there should be a task on the wiki for people to go through bugs to set the priority. This task needs to be done by someone's knowledgeable in what should really become a must fix. I guess that is why I am now doing more tests with factory to try and get things fixed sooner. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org