On Wednesday 25 April 2007 18:13, Benji Weber wrote:
I thought I'd send an email out summarising some of the things I have been working on recently, to obtain some feedback, and maybe even some help.
= Package Search =
- This is back up for the time being, although I am not confident of
it staying up for long, if it's down or slow when you read this email I apologise. adrianS has kindly offered to help with hosting when they have some more resources.
Set up a design page at http://en.opensuse.org/PKGSearch-design
Having spent some time reviewing how people were trying to use the
search, I found a large proportion were searching for phrases, not just package names/contents. Therefore I made the package summaries searchable too. eg you could find konversation now with:
http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=kde+irc+client or http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=bin%2Fkonversatio n or http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=konversation
- There was a performance problem with people searching for very
common and short terms such as "qt" or "kde", this should be fixed now.
- I've made some slight modifications to the design based on some
- I've been working on improving the performance of the trawler, I can
now from a clean database locate, download, parse, index the metadata for the main official/community & build service repositories in under half an hour on my desktop. (That's ~900 repositories, ~110,000 packages including summaries/descriptions, ~16,000,000 files), incremental updates where only some repositories have changed are much faster.
- Integration with the simple software installation (explained below)
that I've been proposing, with "Install now" links on
= Simple Software Installation =
The vast majority of the questions we face when there are not serious things wrong with the distribution are related to issues such as installation of third party software, multimedia codecs etc. Explaining to new users the concept of package repositories, how to add these, and subsequently install software is not trivial. Furthermore, users should not be forced to grasp these concepts in order to easily install software, in my opinion.
To solve this we could have a simple file handler that can handle links in web pages or files on distributable media which automates the process of adding repositories and installing software.
- I've set up a wiki page outlining the concept at
- I've created a functional prototype yast module, Pascal has kindly
made a package which you can try at:
After installing this you can try out some demo uses at
http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/test.html The "install now" links on
Currently the above will only work with konqueror, unless you create
the associations manually for firefox/opera in the same way as they are configured in konqueror (this is possible, but difficult to package without having the configuration in the upstream distribution package)
Martin Schandler is creating a demo page to show how this could be
used to simplify codec installation, for now hopefully you can use your imagination.
- In the above package there is also a demo yast client to the search
service, you can run with "/sbin/YaST2 PackageSearch" as a normal user, and search for and install packages from the build service in the same way as the "Install now" links on the webpin page.
= What I would like help with =
- Please could people try out the demo prototype metapackage handler
described above, and comment on the concept.
- I know ycp only a little, and perl not at all, so if someone could
fix the above into a releasable quality that would be awesome. (source is also at http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/mp)
= Future =
- Search service joint hosting Novell/Community, adrianS is looking into
this. - Migration of the frontend to the search to opensuse-community.org - Fix ycp/perl to a releasable state. (someone who knows what they're doing)
- Improve the "Install now" functionality of the search service, by
calculating the repositories each package depends on (it isn't always just the one the package is located in). I am currently investigating either a simple method looking at the repository dependencies in the build service and manual setup for repositories outside the build service, and a far more complicated method using the rpm requires & depends.
- Integration with new build service features such as statistics,
using the search service statistics to improve results.
- Using search service to enrich client side software.
That's all I can think of for now.
_ Benjamin Weber
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If you haven't tried this simple install package then you are really missing out on some AWESOME programming and usability work!!!!! else if you don't try it and comment, so that the work continues, people will continue to suffer with an antiquated approach to adding software to their favorite distro...openSUSE exit Benjamin.....I bow to your brilliance , keep up the GREAT WORK!!!!!!!