On 13/06/15 14:12, Richard Brown wrote:
Top Posting because I want to broadly address all of the topics spread across Francoise's recent 6 mailings to this mailinglist.
thanks for the global answer about community organisation, (even if most of it were already clear, for me I mean). I met a tee-shirt a few month ago saying : When a woman say "WHAT?" It's not because she didn't hear you She's giving you a chance to change what you said. (I did smile) as ("human communication" principle) we cannot add water in a glass already full (of water). (I do laught as I go on trying) I just end the threads with a few important (my point of view of course) details :
SUSE contribute to openSUSE in that same way, as peers, as equals with no automatic privilege, power, or control because of their status as SUSE employees.
I have no problem with the fact that some ppl are SUSE employees. But no, we cannot say equals, but different, as for example you and Robert, you don't have to answer to this list after your daywork in the middle of the night, or wait the week-end or hollidays to read some mails. it's great for you 2, and I don't wish at all to change that, but please be conscious of that kind of things. (As I did say : time is money, time is power (for many ppl) By the way ... we cannot say equal but different on the langage aspect. I hope you realise how much you are advantaged (for ex Robert, Andrew and Richard) to talk most of the time (meeting, talks, mail) in your native langage, majority of the community has another nativ langage - so for sure, it's not easy for me at all to understand you (and Andrew) in real life when you swallow words. just please be conscious of that kind of things. (snip snip)
--- Regarding TSP reimbursements (80% vs 100%) When the TSP was formed, the decision was made by the TSP Team to reimburse 80% of the travel/hotel costs.
let's be precise (Ancor or Stathis can correct me if I write wrong informations) : TSP CAN reimburse UP TO 80 % of the "announced cost" (no change/adjustment when the real final cost is known - ok details) (snip)
I do not expect that practice to be changed any time soon.
I did not really expect a big change. (as any program, we can just stop using it if we dont like it) but again it's not TSP help 80 % and contributors 20 % (shortcut !! OK for OSC - visitors but not for a whole week marketing hack ... meaning 5 days salary!) next
Final Thought While I think it's a 'good thing' to have conversations like this from time to time, I think we as a Project really need to move on from the old 'us vs them' mentality.
I agree ++. For exemple being inspired by some other openSource good practise (listening to the "KDE design team leader" etc.) final thought : we live in a rolling world, rolling software, rolling nearly everything ... nearly ;-) But I know there are many teams doing fine and fun and openSUSE distribution is great! Enjoy ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org