Much has changed since 10.1, including time itself.
I agree, things changed. But some substantial aspects are exactly identical, and they are playing a major role, affecting 11.1 and potentially all other releases.
While it is true that Novell still holds a certain amount of control, that control is ebbing slowly over time, due to community activism, lessons learned and even Novell slowly releasing its grip. I think we should look back at 10.1/ZMD as an important moment in our history lessons but not continue to live in that moment.
Right. But the event repeated, even if in a different form, with 11.1, which was again rushed "in favour" of SLE. I used " " on purpose, because I don't see how a rushed openSUSE can be if any help even for Novell, and I still find it very hard to understand why they rush the base of their enterprise distribution. It makes no sense.
If there are issues that you feel that your concerns as a community member aren't being heard, you can always forward your issues to the Board. While we also do not have technical veto power, we do have ways to escalate the issue when appropriate so it gets heard.
Right. Formally. In practice the board members live in the community exactly as us, they know the problems (I'm sure of that), and their action is limited exactly as the action of members and simple users.
Ultimately, it is about empowerment. For the community to have greater say and impact on openSUSE, we need to continue to grow, and be actively involved wherever possible.
I fully agree on this. But to have a growing community, Novell has to _trust_ the community and throw its prejudices away. This would improve Novell experience and probably save them some (maybe not too much) money. Just look at how Novell managed translations on SLE, which instead of being based on the community fixed ones, corrected in three release cycles, present significant regressions coming from SLE 10. Just an example on something I experienced, of course, but it clarifies that Novell can have advantages from the community too.
I know that sounds like some sort of campaign message coming from me, but its true. The larger we are, the more vocal we are, the more active we are, the more contributions we make, the more likely we will be to have a stronger influence and level the playing field with Novell.
I agree, but as I answered to Vincent, to grow we need to provide new users, who are potential contributors, the tools to grow themselves. Or we will see the usual random contributor come, get frustrated because he sees he can't change things, and leave for some other place where his voice can be actually heard. Regards, Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org