On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:14:03 -0500, "Bryen M. Yunashko" <suserocks@bryen.com> wrote:
His original item was about what happens in the case of a possible sale. And it was a fair and legitimate question in my opinion, one that we quickly tried to reassure him that no changes were imminent. He then changed the discussion to a referendum against Novell for its dealings with Microsoft. These were two completely separate and unrelated topics.
They look related to me. But I'm not a crusader. You're overreacting to my comments.
Any arguments for independence are completely derailed when the very same person who says we need to be independent says he refuses to do anything to work towards that independence. It simply doesn't make sense.
Sure it does. Why would I invest time in a project that, from my vantage point, has an uncertain future? What I'm telling you is, if you want to attract outsiders, you folks who are already committed need more independence, to become more attractive to outsiders.
you can't have one and not the other. What I keep seeing over and over again around here is we put out lots of calls for help on this or that project and no one steps up, but everyone comments freely on broad discussions like this.
Talk is cheap and good help is hard to find. I'm not being sarcastic, it's a real problem. But if you expect to grow, you need to listen to opinions that originate from outside your clique.
There is always a risk of infrastructure "suddenly going away." Novell could do that, although AJ himself stated Novell will not do that (and thus this is unfounded conjecture to even bring it up), whoever buys Novell and continues to sponsor us could pull the plug. Or we could seek out sponsors of our own who donate their services to host our infrastructure, and then one day they could pull the plug. Or we could pay for our own infrastructure and host it on servers and our hosting service suddenly goes out of business without notice and *poof* one day our infrastructure is missing. That has happened to a lot of customers out there, as you know.
I don't expect Novell's sponsorship to disappear suddenly. But things are always changing, and competition in the tech world is brutal. Try to prepare for the worst, as much as you can.
The only argument is whether you consider independence to mean with or without Novell's partnership. I consider Novell's partnership to be vital.
Again, I'm not crusading against Novell. I don't care if the KGB sponsors opensuse. But try to emulate Debian's model, and separate the infrastructure from the sponsors. -- Web mail, POP3, and SMTP http://www.beewyz.com/freeaccounts.php -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org