Hello Henne, On 09/16/2010 09:37 AM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 16.09.2010 16:18, Charles Wight wrote:
The uncertainty is real, not FUD. THE uncertainty? We (Denver and I) talk about uncertainty if the openSUSE infrastructure would go away in a day and if we need a google backup or something.
Telling people that the openSUSE community would go away in a day is FUD my friend. Real FUD. It might not be your intention but it is nonetheless. I certainly don't intend to do anything other than describe reality. Can OpenSUSE survive if all the folks who are currently employed by Novell are told, "you're not being paid to work on OpenSUSE any longer, work on XXX"? It's a genuine question ... it's not intended to be rhetorical. It's not intended to frighten anyone! Does a self-sustainable community actually exist?
OpenSOLARIS as an Oracle product is alive and well. The OpenSOLARIS "community" ended in the course of a day. The opensolaris community already found more than one new home and is recovering. Also the situation is something very different don't you think? The situations are quite similar. Sun was trying to create a Fedora-like community around Open Solaris much as Novell has tried to do with OpenSUSE. While OpenSUSE is intrinsically more open than Solaris by virtue of being gnu/linux, the economic and political dynamics of corporate dependence are very similar. Of course, the intellectual property issues around Solaris don't apply here. My opinion is that OpenSUSE can never really be a community project if it depends on one corporate sponsor, whether it be Novell or another entity.
Whether or not OpenSUSE survives as a product will depend upon it's value to Novell's successor.
As for the "community", things are far less certain. It's the community that suffers from your FUD at this time. Don't you get that? You have influence on this community. opensuse-project is not your own private smalltalk forum. You are accountable for what you say to this forum. So put up or shut up on the openSUSE mailinglists. Please :)
I certainly respect your opinion. I don't really know enough about the "community" to agree or disagree with it. I'm not convinced that a "community", aside from Novell employees, actually exists. Finally, I do respect the sentiment you expressed, "put up or shut up ...." , even if expressed somewhat rudely. I am more than willing to "Put up" if a community independent of Novell actually exists. If not, I won't be here very long. Either way, I won't annoy you too much more :). I'm testing the waters here! I am considering making a substantial commitment of time without compensation. I do apologise if my openly expressed doubts about OpenSUSE have disturbed you or anyone else. I have no desire to be disruptive. I have no desire to donate my labor to Novell or it's successor either! Charles Wight P.S. Thanks for the links .... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org