On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 09:36:09 PM C wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Ricardo Chung <amon0.thoth1@gmail.com> wrote:
You should be able to enable/disable the SecureBoot option on UEFI with no further issues.
That assumes that: 1. The manufacturer puts that option into the UEFI setup (it's not mandatory, from what I read, that they allow you to disable it... they can allow it.. or not...it's only on Arm that they currently cannot allow it to be disabled if they want the Win8 Certified logo.. which they all want)
Completely true.
2. The end user is aware of this requirement to disable UEFI
Just a small correcitons. It's to disable the SecureBoot on UEFI. UEFI is the new BIOS equivalent capable to handle the devices connected and the way it communicate each other with the operating system.
3. The end user is capable of disabling UEFI
Again, you should switch UEFI to SecureBoot.
The typical scenario is... someone buys a computer.. wants to try out this Linux thing they've heard of.. .pops a LiveUSB/CD/DVD in and boots it up.. UEFI pops up with whatever dire warning the manufacturer put in... "You are attempting to boot an unauthorized operating system, system halted" or some such scary message. How many will twig and say "oh right.. press Del during boot.. find and disable UEFI and boot again"... not many.
As far as it's tested, LiveCD are not impacted. Said so, you could be able to boot a LiveCD to play it Live Only. Not installing it. Though is possible it will change next months. You are right. New users and not experienced enough will stop themselves to go beyond if they receive too many scary messages or not messages at all during boot process.
The core issue is not on Windows 8 laptops. It's the specification ARM Architecture+Window 8 Certification Logo+UEFI+SecureBoot. This special scenario will come with a SecureBoot not able to deactivate on UEFI or any other ways.
Other architectures like x86 may be coming with the option to deactivate SecureBoot on UEFI.
Operative word there being "may".
Right. Vendors "may". There is no obligation from Anti-trust Courts or anyone.
Any concerns related to boot other operating systems than Windows 8 with Certification Logo must be addressed to get a key registered with Microsoft Keys Manager. At this right moment, it seems no other options cost-effective feasible and available.
I agree 100% here. We should stop waffling... buy the darned key and let's get on with implementing it into the standard openSUSE releases. We can be ready on time for the releases - which are happening later this year... or we can play catchup.... again.
If we don't have enough money in the marketing budget or wherever, then ask on the project list.. I'm sure that one or several of us could cough up the $99 US to cover it for the project.
Completely agreed. If we don't have a better wildcard to play that's the way it should go and problably making a public statement from SUSE because at the end it is a commercial issue impacted. Note: Anyway the user needs some minimal technical knowledge to able and/or to disable SecureBoot from UEFI. And this is another point of concerns for the next future operating system releases.
C.
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