On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
* Petr Tesarik <ptesarik@suse.cz> [12-02-20 07:54]:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 08:39:56 +0100 Martin Pluskal <martin@pluskal.org> wrote:
On Sun, 2020-11-29 at 15:20 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-29 20:45 (UTC+0100):
BTW, I have also heard *many* complaints about the Discord channels, what would be a suitable place to bring those up? I am sure you will understand what I mean.
Does anyone really expect any different in a forum with a name that means what it does? :
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/discord?s=t [quote] discord ... noun 1-lack of concord or harmony between persons or things: marital discord. 2-disagreement; difference of opinion. 3-strife; dispute; war. ... verb to disagree; be at variance. [/quote]
The idiotic name "discord" was enough to dissuade me from even sampling it when originally introduc Hi
Speaking of healthy environment on our mailing list - I would say that calling whatever tool/project "idiotic" is not really a way to go ...
As much as I do not like the word "idiotic" here, Felix did not call the tool and/or project idiotic. He referred to the name. I have to agree that it's not a particularly good name for what it is.
this is beginning to sound an awful lot like the continual bickering about the name/acronym "GIMP".
This whole subthread has basically proven why GIMP should be renamed.
people are going to have to just "man up" and wear thicker skin because there is always going to be something that offends one an not another. if the end in sight is to never "offend" "anyone", speach and the written word will disappear.
How are you the arbiter of what people should "man up" for? Generally, the collective consciousness of society decides that. Over the past several decades, as society has evolved, things that were considered okay have become not okay, and that's how it works as society evolves its perception of itself. In general, a modern society prioritizes inclusiveness in order to benefit from the potential valuable output from a larger, more diverse group of people. This has been true in basically all fields and industries.
deliberate and directed should be the only criteria! unintentional should be overlooked, and discussion is NOT necessary.
What are you saying here? I'm confused on what your point is. My reading of this statement indicates that we are not allowed to be proactive about continually improving the Project, and must only react to improve in specific circumstances. This makes no sense, because that means we can't improve ourselves to make more people comfortable to contribute and improve the Project.
perception does not equal reality!
Perception *is* reality, but it doesn't equal it. Reality for each individual is shaped by their perceptions. Failure to understand that is how you wind up being non-inclusive. And as a Free Software project, we *need* people to feel welcome and able to contribute however they can to the success of the Project and its deliverables. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!