Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/28 James Tremblay aka SLEducator
: Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/27 James Tremblay aka SLEducator
: Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/24 James Tremblay aka SLEducator
: Rather than download, it's installation usage that would be most meaningful. If you already have 8.04.1 LTS, you won't re-download it
There's an optional survey like Debian, which is the application popularity thing. Of course there's the connections for update, which might give usable stats.
Does that sort of user, install an OS at all? Don't they just take what they get on the machine pre-installed?
After 7 years of XP , you would be amazed at how many people I have run into that have reinstalled per the vendors request. M$ sells thousands of copies of Vista in a box at Staples,Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.. Who is doing those installs?
Firstly often the vendor include a recovery partition, which puts machine back the way it was when delivered. The Vista DVD I received, actually would have been a preferable option, if it had had an easy way to get the vendor driver updates, because it was sans all the Crap-ware, with it's registration nagging, and threats made by software vendors, who seemed to presume non-subscriber was pirate, rather than an evaluator.
Secondly, doesn't that undermine somewhat the idea that the users "just want stability". Frankly what I generally see, when I look at Windows machines are ones, un-upgraded hardware, OS same as purchase (or one installed by an 'expert' likely illegitimately), and very frequently without the security updates, despite all the nagging.
Yup, and then they go get the latest "Quickbooks" .
"I heard they made a new release, what was wrong with the old one? Can I trust it? Do we need to upgrade me?
"Rolling Release" with software packages getting upgraded, keeping most users on same version avoids that issue.
Doesn't simply having SUSE 12, with 12.0.0, 12.0.1, 12.1.0, 12.1.1, 12.2.1, 12.3.0 all updating themselves live to 12.3.1 (FINAL) avoid that trust problem.
Would be a good thing if and only if you could guarantee no more broken releases\ sub releases. We both know this is impossible. Otherwise I wouldn't turn the auto update feature on for my customers. I would still rather have the opportunity to buy an "11 Boxed" and know that my customer and I where going to be, from the first moment, on a platform that was the best of the previous 18-24 months work. While being able to count on the ability to get the packages built for that version for longer than the service period of the distro.
The idea of then having 12 (FINAL) being the core base for SLE, which provides solid OS and support for years, makes sense to me; but there's the problem of security updates. Charging for those to non-enterprise Home user types, would probably result in low take up, and unpatched machines, even if an Upgrade to a 13.X Release was possible.
the new Installations of 11.1 have been of the "because it's there" variety, something newer has come out, and folk don't like to be on last years 'model'. Many are upgrading too early and being disappointed, leading to much vocal comment in forum and email lists.
Community members should expect this , there have never been any guarantee's of ubiquitous compatibility and this is definitely a well known fact. I expected that when I moved to 11.1, I would be
as far as I and many others are concerned; http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/suse-linux-enterprise... http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/suse-linux-enterprise... http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sls-archives/archives-suse-linux/archive... The 10.1 repository should still be live, for at the very least, to service those of us who have sold the distro to SMB's and home users. Today, If I want to set up a customer with SLED, I had better be able to compile or install anything not on the DVD's from my own collection. How does that help "take up"? The "11 Boxed" idea is that the system has been optimized in preparation for SLE and the applications that are available, be available for installation on i.e. a new machine brought into the office or for SLE when it comes on the new laptop purchased from Lenovo or HP. I get it that SLED is an enterprise version and therefore I am to expect that FF still be in the 2.x versions unless the SP updated it, I am ok with this, but I would like to see the ability to add non-system (aka application) packages. Do these results make sense? http://packages.opensuse-community.org/index.jsp?searchTerm=sled I can sell a $50.00 OS, NO PROBLEM, I just can't sell it if I can't configure it with the same flexibility as when it first came out. troubleshooting. I have done and do this because I care about the future of both Novell and openSUSE. My concern is the missing layer in the current release model of both distro's namely, application package availability over the service lives of both SLE and openSUSE.
He would even find rolling updates annoying, He wants to think less
Viruses, worms, mal-ware are all annoying; security updates are a must, and probably the default should be to have them installed automatically if they have not been applied within 72 hours. The delay, permits patch updates, or recall in event of it causing trouble of kind, that should be avoided.
A really nice Idea and I agree, but it's not really a problem in SLED, updates rarely cause any issue.
So SLE does not include all the packages it might, which leads to installing openSUSE rpm's, which later become unsupported?
Correct. SLE comes with very little outside the distributed package set. Worse, not to many people care to build RPM's for it either. Even the OBS rarely has RPM's for SLE. The SLE build should not be a choice, it should be a default.
Makes sense to me, openSUSE is sponsered by Novell, so I would hope they'd benefit from OBS. There may be a problem if software depends on new libraries however, not sure how they handle that.
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