Hi there, everyone, Just in time for this topic. As per my email to the marketing mailing list (https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/marketing@lists.opensuse.org/thread...) the other day, here's my 2c. I work in marketing, done even a short stint in a company doing marketing for developers (I'll add a caveat about marketing). Yes, we have a board. Then we have people in the various teams. What openSUSE needs is community builders. That's exactly what the people you say MS, Apple and rest are doing. The do-ocracy principle is great for setting the bar down the bazaar so everyone can participate how they see fit. Where the problems occur (cc the Project mailing list regarding the wiki conundrum) is that there's no communication. It's quite OK that openSUSE doesn't have project managers and such, but as a result, there's work being done that's siloed off, and a newsman doesn't know what is being done, how far is it from being done, is it even good/worth reporting on. In such a state, I agree, weekly news is simply too much. I, myself, I have a full-time job, a kid and I wake up at 5AM doing online courses to better myself. In these mornings I would like to invest some time to help out openSUSE as I did years before. What I can't do, is go around poking people what's new and what isn't. What would help, would be a logging system, kanban board, /.../, where people would: 1- get exposure for the great work they're doing 2- log what's being done so we can filter out interesting parts And this thing, that would also be of much help: - etherpad reporting (seems that wiki entries are too obsolete, so there's got to be something with adding extra friction to the process) in an *asynchronous* way. Like a daily/weekly standup, but async when the team members actually have time. You jot down what you're working on, and we then contact you for byweekly or monthly news. But, to get back on topic. Problems I see are: - doocracy allowing people to "do", but they aren't vocal about it - no way for someone trying to do community building to find information in a structured and time-efficient way (I don't know why it's presupposed that people who are doing technical work should have reduced barriers, but people doing marketing are on their own) Anyway, we Tweet about how openSUSE is underrated, but are yet to tell the people *why*. The best work in this field has been done by sysrich when I was active a couple of years ago, the dude was all over reddit, irc and blogging away in a really nice manner, explaining the strengths of openSUSE. I think we should build on that. I am also drafting a SEO and content plan, will communicate when I wrap it up (nothing revolutionary, just to find channels where we could get new folks and communicate with others). But yes, in technical projects, community building is a must. I, for one, appreciate the "adultness" of openSUSE, mainly folks getting in and grinding away without fuss, but that, from the outside, looks like the project is simply dead. And as I see, it's not :) Have a great one, will be getting back and hope for some feedback on this one. -- Nenad Latinović nenad@latinovic.si
On 08/10/2021 11:57 PM Lars Vogdt
wrote: Am Tue, 10 Aug 2021 23:33:03 +0200 schrieb Vinzenz Vietzke
: I tried pushing twice to get this running in the past years. There was hardly any interest from the community.
What exactly?
Get volunteers for a 24/7 job (collecting and editing information), that is normally done by paid Journalists? :-)
That's indeed my main concern about this "we need more communication" topic: people choose to join "their" teams because they feel welcome. Once they have their "family" around them, there not much need to communicate outside this family any longer. Especially for nerds like me, who talk more to their computer than to their family anyway ;-)
Just think about our current amount of communication tooling: * IRC * Forums * Mailing lists * Matrix channels * Discourse channels * OBS Web-discussions * Github issues and merge request comments * Telegram, Twitter, Youtube, Instagram, Facebook, ... I for sure missed some, sorry for that.
How on earth to we - as openSUSE community - expect to reach out to everyone on one/all of these channels?
Big companies like Amazon, Google and M$ struggle with their communication strategies, while they have big teams paid for exactly this.
So I'm back to the last question from my former Email: What does our community expect to hear from the various teams - and in which schedule? (and maybe I need to add: on which communication platform?)
And I like to add: Who exactly is currently not happy with the existing communication? - At the moment, I assume the board is not happy, as this topic came out of the board minutes, correct?
Regards, Lars