On 6 April 2015 at 16:07, Sam M. <backgroundprocess@gmail.com> wrote:
We have probably 300 contributors to the project. I am not certain that putting every contributors name in a list on the wiki would be helpful.
I'm not saying to put all 300 contributors' info on the page. What I'm saying is to make the contact info readily available and easy to access. "Contact Us" at the bottom of the main page is what's needed -- not forcing somebody to navigate through the entire mess of different openSUSE fragmented social networks, wikis, and other out-of-date pages. One person in this thread already agreed with me that this is an issue, and there's obviously a silent majority here that doesn't speak English very well or doesn't want to get involved in the exchange. There is an issue here, but the openSUSE way seems to be to just sweep it under the rug and let it go another 5 years without actually doing something about it.
The contact email for the mailinglist owner is attached to the bottom of every single email on every single list we operate, and also at the bottom of the page on lists.opensuse.org In this case, you are seeking escalation of an issue. The correct venue for such an escalation is the openSUSE Board The openSUSE Board's contact details are clearly visible on our page, which is linked prominently from the Projects main page on the Wiki. I don't think board@opensuse.org needs to be made too much more prominent than that.. 'Contact Us' on the homepage would be a step too far, we're not the default contact for every day to day business of the openSUSE Project (note - our Press contact is on the homepage for www.opensuse.org)
Then that policy needs to be changed. If you are in a position where other people are relying on packages that you maintain or on software that you are patching and/or creating, then your information needs to be public. Period. Right now the fragmented openSUSE project is more concerned with micromanaging the email list, which, by the way, isn't all that busy to begin with. Sour grapes? Also, I could just CC all the people I want to contact and communicate that way if I wanted to. The fact that the final message ends up in somebody's email box gives them the choice to block a particular person, or not read and delete. With the small amount of people that post to the openSUSE email list, the last thing you want to do right now is enforce policies that appease people with thin skin. You could argue that heavy moderation is necessary because of the small amount of people posting, but I obviously will disagree here.
I do not understand where this claim of 'fragmentation' comes from. I'm certainly not seeing evidence of that in the increasing pace of Tumbleweed development. I do not see the number of people posting to the opensuse@opensuse.org mailing list as evidence of fragmentation - given it's our English language *support* mailinglist, it's a bit of a relief, and could suggest we haven't got too much broken, or people with problems are finding sufficient support elsewhere.
As they say, the door swings both ways. If you feel it is necessary to attack people and be rude I am not certain why you would not expect a response in kind or no response at all.
I never said I "feel it is necessary to attack people and to be rude". I'm not even sure where you got that from. The thing is that you already took a vehement bias against me because you are buddy buddy with Henne, so it's certainly not surprising getting this long and defensive email that you've written. The point is that clamping down on email exchanges because some thin-skinned people get offended easily if they're critiqued doesn't help the project, it only hurts it. It makes people look for other projects where you aren't backed into a corner out of fear of not pleasing somebody or saying the wrong thing. And this is an email list, not a forum; two vastly different things that should be managed differently.
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