On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 09:39 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 15:22 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2011-12-23 15:16, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
But that´s the way FOSS-projects are going. Maybe the will find out that the majority of users detests GNOME shell and then change it, but as long as the majority seems to be happy with it, there won´t happen anything. For me, this top down, dictatorial design only serves the purpose of saying "look what good programmers we are", not to serve the users. That's my feeling.
FALSE. There is no "dictatorial design". There just isn't. Your claim is FALSE. There was *LOTS* of discussion, and commentary, and BLOG posts. There is a mailing list, an IRC channel, etc... There is no "dictatorial design". It *WAS* discussed and debated and discussed some more. Proof-of-concepts where floated and shot-down, and changed, and redone.
*THEN* code was written. That cannot happen until a choice is made [and many Open Source projects die in the design stage due to the inability to make choices]. And once the choice is made - it is enshrined in the code.
That *YOU* were not a participant or observer of those discussions does *NOT* a "dictatorial design" make. The discussions were open and public and many people participated.
That I did not vote for Jimmy Carter for US president in 1977 [when I was 5 years old] does not make him a dictator.
Let´s wait what the GNOME 2 / 3 forks look like, maybe some frustrated users will find a new desktop ;-) I hope. And I hope to see them here.
This has become such a boorish discussion. Everyone seems to want to position themselves on their given-choice side of the fence and dig their heels in instead of having any meaningful discussions on how to close the gap through courtesy, information-sharing and willingness to concede that the other party has valid points. All this amounts to is a lot of wasted bandwidth consumption and inbox-cleaning. I'm not completely happy with GNOME 3, and obviously not everyone is. I'm happy with the efforts the developers have contributed to GNOME 3, and obviously a number of people are happy too. Last I checked, developers were still human and don't have 100% of every answer to cater to. People do their best and they come up with a product that naturally not everyone will embrace. Tell me what product out there has 100% adoption/acceptance rates? There are two things that come up here: 1. This is a bitchfest about GNOME 3. Such bitchfests should be directed at GNOME and not at openSUSE. Launching tirades at openSUSE or openSUSE's GNOME Team does not solve anything at all. Even if they are to take it to heart, it doesn't mean that openSUSE is the one to make all the changes to GNOME 3. Go to GNOME's IRC channels or mailing lists and make your points there. 2. There are openSUSE users who are legitimately perplexed by some of the functionality in GNOME 3. As we're all supposed to be one big happy family, let's just take a moment to figure out the best ways to alleviate that. We want our users to stay here and we want them to be happy with what we provide them. Give them the resources, be friendly with them. Belittling a user who simply doesn't know all the functionalities you know doesn't make you a better person, nor does it achieve any meaningful purpose. Bryen M Yunashko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org To contact the owner, email: email@example.com