30 Jan
2012
30 Jan
'12
6:20 p.m.
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On Jan 30, 2012, at 3:01 PM, "Richard Brown" <rdb(a)ccb.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Andi,
I'm curious, what exactly is the intended goal of this initiative?
If it is about changing the default settings in an effort to improve usability, how do
you intend to implement any changes which are identified as necessary by this initiative?
Doesn't this seem to be a little weird coming from the artwork team?
It could be. Yes, it is a project that will try to understand from our user's and
members' point of u what they envision a dream desktop to be like. Generally we all
tweak and change the defaults that desktops environments come with. Some of us heavily
tweak our desktop environment to work the way we want, there lies a strong potential for
change that we could bring into the distribution, if approved.
To me, default settings of a desktop environment is probably something better
investigated and implemented by the various maintainers of openSUSE's different
environments.
I agree with you but as the project does not have a usability team, not only these members
are fit for the task but just about any of our users. We all tweak to a degree. We change
icons, wallpapers, widgets, set up default launched programs and so on. This is what we
look to understand.
I really do not like the idea of KDE, GNOME, XFCE, LXDE, etc all sharing common defaults
without very good reason and acceptance of all the teams involved.
We have different environments for a reason, they attract different users with different
needs, we should embrace those differences.
I know in the GNOME team for example, we spend a lot of time discussing and
collaboratively deciding on what we believe to be the best range of settings for our
users, based on our own knowledge of the environment as well as user feedback.
An initiative like this seems to be treading on the toes of the work already done by our
GNOME, KDE, and other DE maintainers.
I think here you might be reading far. That is not the intention of the initiative. Surely
each desktop environment has its own flavor and sweetness that we enjoy. We just want to
establish some commonalities and clever changes in each of them.
Furthermore, some of the 'proposals' already on the wiki look like they're
calling for some pretty major work (new notifications?), who do you foresee picking up and
doing this sort of work? are we likely to be able to get such changes submitted upstream?
I placed that one there mostly because I wanted to have a sample for someone to follow
later. It looks very radical, I doubt it will go far. I have others much better and nicer
looking.
I don't mean to sound like I'm slamming this, I'm know you're trying to
do something cool and help out, but I'm very confused how the art team is expecting to
carry this initiative forward.. apologies for clearly not understanding the proposal when
it was raised in our team meeting and now having to bring my confusion to the mailing
lists
This is mostly an investigation and learning experience for the team. Nothing more than
that just yet.
Richard
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>> andi robert 01/30/12 7:24 PM
>>>
Hello my dear friends
The artwork team recently had a meeting in which a couple of ideas
were proposed. One of them is the Dream openSUSE Initiative. The idea
behind this proposal is to have a wider understanding of what a
desktop environment is for each of our users. All of us work with
openSUSE and many time we tweak and change our graphical environments
to fit our particular needs, we would like to know about these changes
that you have made to your graphical environment under openSUSE to
better determine what defaults work for our users. We are currently
gathering these screenshots here
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Dreamopensuse
The steps to be part of this investigative initiative are as follow
Set up your computer desktop they way you want it
Take a screeshot
Submit your screenshot at our wiki
Note: If your changes, settings or tweaks are not readily visible,
show us a screenshot of your settings managers or explain the settings
changes that you have made. This initiative is not about artwork as
much as it is about usability among our members. Therefore, when
submitting screenshots, make sure that your special usability settings
are also noticeable.
Note: The wiki page is not perfect, of you feel inclined to make
changes to it, please do so. :D
Andy (anditosan)
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