On 11/27/2013 06:15 PM, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
First of all sorry for the top posting
This whole thing is so wrong for so many reasons...
Most of them were mentioned mostly by Klaas and Andrew.
We are the community and openSUSE is a community project.
Yes, correct. But we are a dependent community and thus we have to
handle/deal with, as a community, with people that present things in a
light from a position of "power/leadership". This is a fundamental flaw
in dependent communities when people cannot bridge the perceived devide
of "paid for" and "being part of for the better of all."
But this point alone is a discussion onto itself and can be discussed in
another thread and probably best at another time.
It is another thing of having a team filing the gap
(might) leave and another thing having a team doing things leaving the
community out. My impression that streangthens day by day is that the
openSUSE Team wants to lead openSUSE Project leaving the community
out. We don't like that as you can see, so the question here given the
fact that we can not dissagree forever is... Who has to change or step
back or compromise(choose your favourite)? The openSUSE Team or all
the others? We are volunteers to an FOSS project, right?
Yes, and as such following our motto "Just do it" all stand on equal
footing. The problem is that many things that need to be done to
actually get a release out the door, one of our goals one would presume,
are completed by the openSUSE Team. The ideas of what this team should
be doing have changed. We've struggled with this since the changes have
been put in place and I think this struggle will continue for the
foreseeable future. Thus, we have to figure out how to deal with this.
Can we do an 8 month release cycle if we do not have the resources the
openSUSE Team @ SUSE has put forth to get 12.3 and 13.1 out the door?
What would that look like?
While more of the release process has moved "into the open" IMHO we are
still far away from being able to compensate for the openSUSE Team @
SUSE going away and doing their own thing. Thus, the question is, do we
as a community just follow what the ultimate intentions of the team may
be, these are being revealed in other threads that I have not yet had a
chance to catch up on, or will we find the means to continue what we
have been doing but without the much needed and appreciated effort the
openSUSE Team has provided in the past?
Just as the openSUSE Team @ SUSE is not in a position to dictate where
the community goes, neither is the community in a position to dictate
what the openSUSE Team should spend it's time on. The crux of this is
that this goes back to the "us and them" problem that keeps popping up.
In the end that is really what has to be solved. All the other stuff are
just symptoms of this very basic but difficult point.
Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU
SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX
Public Cloud Architect
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