On Tuesday 06 July 2010 16:16:32 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 15:54:21 Michael Loeffler wrote:
+1, I still don't see what's wrong with the current scheme nor real benefits from a new scheme.
See the page that vincent wrote, my pain points are * in the software world a .3 release has only minor changes, the major gets released for major updates. For us there's no difference. * I've seen to many confusion with SLE and openSUSE numbers
Michael, just answer the following honestly: * What is the next release called: 11.4 or 12.0? Why? 11.4 because according to the current scheme 11.4 is after 11.3 * Why did we call 11.0 11.0 and not 10.4? for 10 and 11 the .0 version was always the one prior to a SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) release and .1 was the one SLE was based on. Why should we give up the relation to SLE? Isn't it a thing to be proud of? At least people telling me they are. As we deliver a huge amount of software for many areas it will be more then difficult to go to an .0 release because of any major change as it won't be easy to set the rule what a major change (major desktop version, major kernel, major or new application etc) is. * When and why do we end the 11.x numbers and go to 12.0? I'd propose to go to 12.0 prior to SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 and base SLE 12 on 12.1. In that case we probably would have a 11.5 or higher - don't know the schedule for SLE 12.
And we're just so honest let me add some argument from my side why I'm oppose to change the versioning scheme: - do we gain more contributors or users through a new versioning scheme ? - we had twice a me too approach by giving our releases names (lizards and philosophers) and this didn't turn out to be a success - I don't stick to the confusion argument because with software there is always confusion and because of the fact that you normally hear only from defects, complaints or confusion. The huge majority (I think way more then 90% in our case) you never hear from as they are okay with our product - the stability/quality argument I don't buy neither as we normally know after the release about stabitliy and quality when its used on a kind of endless number of machines - still the issue with current versioning and the benefits through a change are in my opinion weak - Assuming there is a real and harming effect of the current versioning I see way more things around our project to focus on to improve the project over all: - strategy - grow our community together (eg. ml vs forums) - get more contributors to openSUSE - lower the bar for people new to openSUSE - developer documentation - tools integration If we fill the project with life, activity, good stuff and tools we will succeed independent of any versioniong scheme. Have a lot of fun! M
Andreas
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