Hi Michael, On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 14:50 +0200, Michael Loeffler wrote:
This is most interesting. When you say you "discussed the feature request" with the openSUSE Board - what was their considered recommendation ?
Frankly, the openSUSE Board was just a mirror of the community. So again a pretty heated discussion. No clear recommendation.
I am glad that the board is a good mirror of the community. It rather reinforces the general idea of them, in future, hammering out such compromises - surely ? - then they can sell it to their respective constituencies. Can you confirm that your discussion with the board was genuinely neutral, rather than a plain presentation of your decision ?
Yes, the governance topic will be covered during the conference.
Great.
We want to make clear that both desktops are considered equal citizens within the openSUSE Project
How about actually sketching out what this really means, if indeed it means anything at all ...
Please don't read things into a radio button which aren't there.
Sure; so - is there any chance you could help expand on what you mean by 'considered equal citizens' ? - I accept that it doesn't apply to this radio button - where else does it not apply ?
As an example, can you give any assurances around my concerns about conferences - presenting both desktops equally eg. ? other trivial examples might be boxed set screenshots (if the boxed set rides again), printed marketing materials etc. We have one prominent area where they are not treated equally - I assume the plan is to spread that aggressively to other areas
You really chose not to give any assurances here ? that is concerning. Henne's on no-change to the conference DVDs was helpful - I look forward to handing more out. Finally - I think one of the -best- ways to bury the discussion here, is to provide a satisfying, and clearly defined trigger point for re-opening it [ that is preferably at some distance away, post 11.2 :-]. Seemingly so far, we have only a "my decision is final" position, with (apparently) no hope of progress, ever. I assume it is not adequate to leave Lubos' blog to speak on this - and that some change in future is possible. I assume also, that it is obvious / 'logical' that in future that the user's choice in our data will be obscured by this default. To find an un-biased variable - can we agree that eg. when the live-CD download numbers reach 50/50 you will support re-visiting this decision ? and/or where is the raw data for that available ? So - while still horribly dissatisfied by the process, decision, and the lack of transparency - I guess at least having some clear and meaningful re-assurances, and a reasonably distant, but understood and agreed trigger point for re-opening the discussion would content me. Thanks, Michael, -- michael.meeks@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org