Robert Schweikert wrote:
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On 06/14/2015 02:41 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On Thu, 2015-06-11 at 20:45 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Françoise Wybrecht wrote:
Sharing and communicating on a mailing list ... is a non-sense when we do nothing else then giving different points of vue.
Slow & slow, most ppl go back to their priorities and shut up.
I cannot change that ...and I honnestly don't know who can or could.
As said ... when we just go on talking and in fact, nothing change, everybody will logically just contribuate to the distribution, and forget the community (project). Yes, it was the fun ...
To maintain a living, thriving community, the community has to be in charge, completely. The community has to have complete ownership of their "baby". In my opinion, that is not situation at openSUSE. I am deliberately not judging whether that is good or bad, I am just observing.
Sorry about my late response, on the weekend my priorities are different :-)
In which parts is this not the case?
All the admin for instance. Is anyone in the community running bugzilla for instance?
No, does anyone care to?
Over the years, I am pretty certain I have offered to do admin a number at least twice. Not bugzilla specifically, anything really. I have also proposed donating hardware to e.g. OBS, but that's not acceptable either unless it comes delivered by truck or in the form of a cheque.
Maintaining infrastructure does not only cost money for the hardware, it also takes people to maintain it. If you find a sponsor that is willing to host all the machines and hand over the keys to the data center I doubt there would be a big revolt at SUSE.
We know "it also takes people to maintain it", yet volunteers from the community are not accepted.
There is not a board meeting I can remember where we have not talked about turning off things that are not maintained at the administration level.
TBH, I don't recall seeing that in the minutes ever. My mistake, I'll have to reread them.
There are guidelines where anyone can run stuff for opensuse.org and get root access to a VM. Lars has given talks about this at oSC over the last couple of years. Yet, no one has stepped up to actually do the work.
Where is the todo-list where one can sign up? As I said, I am pretty certain I have offered my help more than once.
YasT also appears to be in the hands of SUSE.
How so?
Robert, I responded with a couple of examples where the community is clearly not "in complete ownership of their "baby"". That's all. I totally appreciate that e.g. yast and xen are open to contributors, but that's a far cry from complete community ownership. If you can point us to non-SUSE contributors to YaST, I agree that YasT is not entirely in the hands of SUSE. I did in fact once offer to maintain the LILO section of the bootloader module, but then LILO was deprecated, well .... the same thing happened for JFS fileystem support in the partitioner. There was never any call for help, btw.
It would be nice to get rid off these misconceptions somehow.
More openness and transparency would be probably help a lot, but that's a broken record if I've ever heard one.
No, I don't want to own the project as a whole, but I'd be happy to assume ownership and dedicate my time to those bits where I feel qualified.
Great, step right in, there are plenty of holes to fill if you need help finding the holes let me know and I'll be happy to help you identify them.
Just point me to the todo list. I asked about that one about a month ago - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-05/msg00164.html When I subsequently asked how to join the release team, there were no answers: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-05/msg00425.html -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.3°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org