On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:21:47 +0100 Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 03:42:45AM +0100, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand you. Do you really want to say that quoting a slightly extended version of a famous illustrative example found in various mailing list netiquette documents, e.g.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html https://tilde.wiki/mailing_lists#top-posting
is supposed to be considered "shaming people"?
Michal Kubecek IMHO that is not what Neal is saying at all. But there's a huge difference between banging just a $URL in the face and "Could you
Op zondag 29 november 2020 03:32:33 CET schreef Michal Kubecek: please not blah, see $URL", agreed?
And I don't understand you now either. Vojtěch's e-mail started with "Bottom-posting is the standard here. Let's keep it so." - and Neal even quoted this part in his e-mail. While there is no "Could you please", I find the fact that such innocuous e-mail received this kind of bashing, extremely disturbing.
Seriously, if it's going to be a norm to react to perfectly normal e-mails like this with public scolding and strong words like "shaming people" and "assuming ill intent", I should probably reconsider if I want to be part of such "community" and participate in openSUSE mailing lists because I could also become a victim of this "politeness police" soon.
This is all ridiculous... And also ironic that Neal accuses people of "public shaming" and "assuming ill intent" in an e-mail where he is doing exactly that.
I think we should move past the specific email from Vojtěch because it was already explained by the people involved that there was no ill intention, and I am also torn and sorry that it was interpreted the way it was. I hope it can be forgiven but also understood that the reason why this thread is still ongoing is because some people here agreed and acknowledged that in more general terms, in the past the general attitude in the mailing lists has been a problem that has happened and should be addressed one way or the other rather than brushing it off. Cheers, Maurizio -- Maurizio Galli (m4u9) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce