On 10/25/2011 03:00 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Robert Schweikert wrote:
If we have a "Community" section in the release notes we can highlight projects such as KDE:KDE3 that are efforts by the community or individuals within the community and that are not part of the release as such. In this section we could also talk about other projects such as the Virtualization:Cloud projects that are not part of 12.1 proper but might be interesting to people looking at openSUSE.
Hope this clarifies things a bit.
Not really, but I look forward to further clarification of what is community driven and what isn't. It is clear that some things are not (KDE4, systemd come to mind), but it's all mostly hidden behind the scene.
Excuse me?
How are KDE4 and systemd not community driven?
Why don't you explain the opposite to me? What were the decision processes involved in the focus-shift towards KDE4?
OK, I'll be partially repeating what I said in the thread when we discussed systemd. Those who contribute to any given devel project within openSUSE determine the direction of the project by means of their contribution. If a given devel project such as the init system or KDE happens to have mostly contributors that also happen to work at SUSE than that's just the way it is. However, this does not preclude contributors that do not work for SUSE, there's no "SUSE employees only" project in openSUSE, to contribute to the devel project. With contribution one gets influence over the direction of the project. Those who do the work determine the direction. Then they submit to factory and if things work and are maintained the submissions generally get accepted into factory. As I mentioned previously, the maintainers of the devel projects generally follow the direction of upstream, thus the switch to KDE4 is quite logical as KDE3 was abandoned upstream. Similar for the init system, upstream development is moving to systemd. There is nothing that prevents someone from maintaining the init system in openSUSE, just don't expect it to happen by some miracle, it takes people to do it and if the people who maintain the startup processes decide that something new is better and they don't break what I am doing I have little grounds to complain. If something breaks I get an opportunity to contribute and I can file a bug. As long as I do not contribute to a given project I certainly have no grounds to bitch and complain about the direction the project takes. I certainly can voice my opinion, but that should occur in a well mannered tone. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org