-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/16/2015 12:07 AM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Robert Schweikert <rjschwei@suse.com> wrote:
On 06/15/2015 01:42 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 15/06/2015 19:03, Robert Schweikert a écrit :
At some point we have to let the stuff that happened 6,7,8, years ago be water under the bridge and focus on the state of the project now.
may be.
but developing is not all what have to be done,
Correct! However the same applies.
Take the recent membership discussion as an example where I pleaded 4 or more times for someone to "just do it", i.e. change the page that was offensive enough to start a lengthy debate. No one stepped up. When I was sufficiently annoyed to make changes and presented those no one actually commented on the changes. People continued to discuss about whatever....
Certainly I was surprised that I had permissions to change the page, but hey I tried and it worked.
I am not saying that the discussion that happened was pointless or unnecessary. The discussion brought the most important concerns to the fore and then it needed acting upon. That's where things fall down, too many people yacking and not enough people doing stuff.
and if the wiki team an marketing team are vanishing, may be it's because they feel a bit ignored?
Very well said!!! This is actually like slow poisoning and a vicious circle that we are trapped into. Everyone has recognized that if called for help, the marketing will probably not help, partly because everyone is in their own world. Some have just carved out their own space and figured out areas that they are comfortable at.
A quick look at the mailing lists show that : opensuse-artwork has not been active since April opensuse-wiki is well almost dead.
Maybe, then those that are active in that area and recognize the problem should be doing something about it rather than waiting for others to do something about it.
No one knows who is active anymore. Have you thought about why these teams are not working?
1. For marketing, there is no action plan, Out of the blue people are told, ok this is what is the new requirement. With every change in reschedule, the marketing list is not informed, nor is the project list where we have the non-developers too. (For example, openSUSE 42). I am not debating if it was the right decision or not, but what I am saying is we as a community are certainly not inclusive. 2. The project meeting was changed to call basis and there was no announcement at all. Not everyone follows the wiki. The people who made this decision to inform it publicly at least. 3. "Just do it!!" does not work always, I am sorry. "Just do it!!" sometimes comes off as more aggressive than it is intended to be. A better paraphrase maybe "If you are willing to do it, I can help you in getting the proper resources". I was glad that I met Bryen, who helped me around openSUSE that I helped a lot with Marketing. 4. Decision making, we bank on meritocracy right. So people who develop have a say in whatever they do. Perfectly fine, awesome, agreed. However, we are not a traditional open source project like Linux. While we have a lot of development stuff around, we need to focus heavily on : 1. Marketing 2. Artwork 3. Documentation 4. Forums and so on.
Yes, we have these different areas, no question. But why is there the strong urge to apply different principles? - - If there is a bug in the code someone has to find the energy, go investigate the problem and fix the code, it has to get done. - - If we need a marketing campaign someone, or a team, has to find the energy and put everything together. I fail to see the difference, it all boils down to a person or a group of people doing something. The impression that I get is that those that happen to contribute on the technical side of the project find the energy to go fix something while those that are interested in contributing in not so technical areas debate and try to figure out how to contribute and what "do it" actually means. Let me suggest this. All those that are interested in marketing start sending ideas about how to build marketing around "The builders choice" tag line to the marketing ML starting tomorrow. Have an idea, send it to the marketing ML, lets see if a.) we have people interested and b.) those that are interested can focus on creating something for the project. If collectively the energy spent on debating what "just do it" means would have been spend on "How do we create marketing around The builders choice?" the basic concept would probably be worked out already . Later, Robert - -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Public Cloud Architect LINUX rjschwei@suse.com IRC: robjo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVgEr5AAoJEE4FgL32d2UkwOYH/R1MZTRz1DmEjHhAFcze1esF 4z0kwepn5XhzvrEm/Y0NOYwDMtGxEwrjUV0v9G6tgUsH4NHTCNOPMaXnu8cWCl4o SbY4qjnDqXX4h1cvyugdiH459J0ze9Y/iIgR5IziizWe9VHtUlEw8ZvCKki4azud 28HDfDIU9p2w4gZZU+aJXtnnL5PmXbcmAPzsOK25qZ4uaYYUsuwkzagH+E+jTAU3 1JJ89dN9/0oGXJDJCPyl1vlTKEWW6ETFjV9+Nf1/wAEX8WA9spjtPQGnFG3kC8Xy cYTB7f7/WUPj2caGtXjvwjP6kS8hCW/uf1ESNmRqSuZbVhfqowvt5pWC/+Hs9ao= =dDWe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org