8 Oct
2010
8 Oct
'10
16:30
Hi,
I've been adding some macros to make life easier when packaging things
for GNOME, or desktop applications in general. See [1] for some of
those, and I guess I'll send a new mail later for the others -- I just
need to figure out where some of them should live.
Anyway. The thing is that those macros are all nice, but nobody will
think about using them if they don't have rpmlint checks. So I wrote
some checks.
Can we add this to the rpmlint-checks git repo, and to our rpmlint
package?
Thanks,
Vincent
[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2010-08/msg00059.html
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8 Oct
18:57
2010/10/8 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Hi,
I've been adding some macros to make life easier when packaging things
for GNOME, or desktop applications in general. See [1] for some of
those, and I guess I'll send a new mail later for the others -- I just
need to figure out where some of them should live.
Anyway. The thing is that those macros are all nice, but nobody will
think about using them if they don't have rpmlint checks. So I wrote
some checks.
Can we add this to the rpmlint-checks git repo, and to our rpmlint
package?
Thanks,
Vincent
[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2010-08/msg00059.html
As discussed at
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2010-08/msg00017.html the
installer's people don't really like gtk-update-icon-cache, have you
talked with Lukas Ocilka?
And shouldn't the %desktop_database_* checks check for MimeType
entries in the desktop files before complaining? It's my understanding
that update-desktop-database does nothing if there are no MimeType
entries.
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20:23
Le vendredi 08 octobre 2010, à 18:57 +0200, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
2010/10/8 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
> Anyway. The thing is that those macros are all nice, but nobody will
> think about using them if they don't have rpmlint checks. So I wrote
> some checks.
[...]
As discussed at
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2010-08/msg00017.html the
installer's people don't really like gtk-update-icon-cache, have you
talked with Lukas Ocilka?
I didn't have time yet. FWIW, we can find a better solution later: it's
a macro, so we'll be able to change it in one place if we find something
better.
And shouldn't the %desktop_database_* checks
check for MimeType
entries in the desktop files before complaining? It's my understanding
that update-desktop-database does nothing if there are no MimeType
entries.
Right. I was wondering if it was worth it. But since it's not hard to
do... Updated checks attached.
Vincent
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01:04
2010/10/8 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
It would be nice to comment the MimeType entries thing in the error
message. But otherwise, without knowing a thing about all those
GTK/GDK/GNOME/GLIB things, the macros seem an improvement to me.
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Le vendredi 08 octobre 2010, à 18:57 +0200, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
This should be really be talked with whoever is the "RPM man" in
openSUSE. What's the status of file triggers? Googling "file triggers
site:lists.rpm.org" it seems nobody is working in them. But there was
that "Collections" thing not too long ago.
In fact I would really like a "RPM status report" from time to time. I
would be tempted to think RPM development is still slow, nearly
dead... until I see the GIT log and see it's actually very active! I'm
sure we are not using things provided by new RPM versions only because
we don't know about them. I just looked in my 11.3 system... why is
ping still using SUID instead of file capabilities? (just saw them in
the RPM's GIT log)
Mandriva has a file triggers patch, true? I'm sure it isn't in
upstream RPM because their implementation has some problems... but are
those problems worse than the ones we face when calling
gtk-update-icon-cache and some others from every package? If we use
that patch, once an official solution is there the spec files will
need to be changed?
As discussed at
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2010-08/msg00017.html the
installer's people don't really like gtk-update-icon-cache, have you
talked with Lukas Ocilka?
I didn't have time yet. FWIW, we can find a better solution later: it's
a macro, so we'll be able to change it in one place if we find something
better. And
shouldn't the %desktop_database_* checks check for MimeType
entries in the desktop files before complaining? It's my understanding
that update-desktop-database does nothing if there are no MimeType
entries.
Right. I was wondering if it was worth it. But since it's not hard to
do... Updated checks attached.
16 Jan
16 Jan
19:21
2010/10/8 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Le vendredi 08 octobre 2010, à 18:57 +0200, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
So, what's the final decision? We are at two months from 11.4 release
and the status in Factory seems to be:
- SuSEconfig.gtk2 has been removed
- rpmlint doesn't complain about packages with icons not running
%icon_theme_cache_post
So nothing is running gtk-update-icon-cache, whatever you install from
zypper or YaST. I have not seen the %icon_theme_cache_post macro used
even in the GNOME:Factory packages.
What should I do with my packages that install icons?
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2010/10/8 Vincent Untz
<vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
> Anyway. The thing is that those macros are all nice, but nobody will
> think about using them if they don't have rpmlint checks. So I wrote
> some checks.
[...]
As discussed at
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2010-08/msg00017.html the
installer's people don't really like gtk-update-icon-cache, have you
talked with Lukas Ocilka?
I didn't have time yet. FWIW, we can find a better solution later: it's
a macro, so we'll be able to change it in one place if we find something
better.
19:44
2011/1/16 Cristian Morales Vega <cmorve69(a)yahoo.es>es>:
2010/10/8 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
FWIW, if instead of calling gtk-update-icon-cache on each package
installation you change the %icon_theme_cache_post(un) macros to use
ZYpp's update-scripts
(http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-06/msg00005.html) you have
my vote to add those checks today. That should solve any problem with
the installer.
Michael, are update-scripts still the best way to run something that
needs to be done for a lot of packages and it is enough if it's run
once after all packages have been installed (ldconfig doesn't
applies)? Or there is something new in the RPM version from 11.4
("Collections", file triggers or whatever upstream has done recently)?
There is any good documentation about update-scripts?
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Le vendredi 08 octobre 2010, à 18:57 +0200,
Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
So, what's the final decision? We are at two months from 11.4 release
and the status in Factory seems to be:
- SuSEconfig.gtk2 has been removed
- rpmlint doesn't complain about packages with icons not running
%icon_theme_cache_post
So nothing is running gtk-update-icon-cache, whatever you install from
zypper or YaST. I have not seen the %icon_theme_cache_post macro used
even in the GNOME:Factory packages.
What should I do with my packages that install icons? 2010/10/8 Vincent Untz
<vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
> Anyway. The thing is that those macros are all nice, but nobody will
> think about using them if they don't have rpmlint checks. So I wrote
> some checks.
[...]
As discussed at
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2010-08/msg00017.html the
installer's people don't really like gtk-update-icon-cache, have you
talked with Lukas Ocilka?
I didn't have time yet. FWIW, we can find a better solution later: it's
a macro, so we'll be able to change it in one place if we find something
better.
17 Jan
17 Jan
11:30
Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
So nothing is running gtk-update-icon-cache, whatever
you install from
zypper or YaST. I have not seen the %icon_theme_cache_post macro used
even in the GNOME:Factory packages.
We do have packages using the macros, but we didn't have time to convert
everything, true.
What should I do with my packages that install icons?
Use the macros.
There's one issue with the macro, though: they wrongly assume that, on
upgrade, %postun of the old package is called before %post of the new
package. To be honest, it shouldn't matter in most cases, and the right
fix would imply using a %posttrans instead... On the other hand, if we
can use a mechanism to delay the call to gtk-update-icon-cache like you
suggest in your later mail, that'd work fine.
So let's wait for an answer to your second mail, to know if there's
something we can use for this before deciding if we need to add more
macros.
But in general, yes, please use the macros.
Vincent
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12:10
2011/1/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
So the problem with the installer is solved? If I understood correctly
the problem was of excessive memory usage. This could be a really big
problem since it could avoid people with "little" RAM to **install the
distro**.
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What should I do with my packages that install
icons?
Use the macros.
12:17
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 12:10 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
2011/1/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
I'm not aware of any such problem. Do you have a link?
Vincent
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Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100,
Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
So the problem with the installer is solved? If I understood correctly
the problem was of excessive memory usage. This could be a really big
problem since it could avoid people with "little" RAM to **install the
distro**. What should I do with my packages that install
icons?
Use the macros.
12:25
2011/1/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 12:10 +0100, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
bnc#395056
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2011/1/17 Vincent Untz
<vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
I'm not aware of any such problem. Do you have a link? Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100,
Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
So the problem with the installer is solved? If I understood correctly
the problem was of excessive memory usage. This could be a really big
problem since it could avoid people with "little" RAM to **install the
distro**. What should I do with my packages that install
icons?
Use the macros.
12:35
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 12:25 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
2011/1/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
My understanding is that it only applies when installing openSUSE. But
yeah, I don't know if it's still valid. It's not for the live images,
where we copy an image, but maybe it is for the DVD.
We can change the macros to check for YAST_IS_RUNNING=instsys, though,
if needed.
Vincent
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Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 12:10 +0100, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
bnc#395056 2011/1/17 Vincent Untz
<vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
I'm not aware of any such problem. Do you have a link? Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100,
Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
> What should I do with my packages that install icons?
Use the macros.
So the problem with the installer is solved? If I understood correctly
the problem was of excessive memory usage. This could be a really big
problem since it could avoid people with "little" RAM to **install the
distro**.
13:07
2011/1/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 12:25 +0100, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
I don't know the details of YAST_IS_RUNNING, but it seems just fine.
Since people talked about increases of two hours in installation time
(https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=365649#c14) it seems a
good idea to add it.
I will start to add the macros to my packages this afternoon. But if
the rpmlint checks aren't added *yesterday* I expect there will be a
lot of packages without the macros for 11.4 release.
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2011/1/17 Vincent Untz
<vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
My understanding is that it only applies when installing openSUSE. But
yeah, I don't know if it's still valid. It's not for the live images,
where we copy an image, but maybe it is for the DVD.
We can change the macros to check for YAST_IS_RUNNING=instsys, though,
if needed. Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 12:10 +0100, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
bnc#395056 2011/1/17 Vincent Untz
<vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
> Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
>> What should I do with my packages that install icons?
>
> Use the macros.
So the problem with the installer is solved? If I understood correctly
the problem was of excessive memory usage. This could be a really big
problem since it could avoid people with "little" RAM to **install the
distro**.
I'm not aware of any such problem. Do you have a link?
19:32
2011/1/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
True. Notice from
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/ScriptletSnippets that Fedora
also uses touch, not sure if it's really needed by something.
Also, it's my understanding that the %postrans thing applies also to
%desktop_database_post* and %mime_database_post*, but Fedora uses
%post in this case (and removes the "if [ $1 -eq 0 ]" check from
%postun). No idea why...
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So nothing is running gtk-update-icon-cache,
whatever you install from
zypper or YaST. I have not seen the %icon_theme_cache_post macro used
even in the GNOME:Factory packages.
We do have packages using the macros, but we didn't have time to convert
everything, true.
What should I do with my packages that install
icons?
Use the macros.
There's one issue with the macro, though: they wrongly assume that, on
upgrade, %postun of the old package is called before %post of the new
package. To be honest, it shouldn't matter in most cases, and the right
fix would imply using a %posttrans instead... On the other hand, if we
can use a mechanism to delay the call to gtk-update-icon-cache like you
suggest in your later mail, that'd work fine.
18 Jan
18 Jan
08:37
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 19:32 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
2011/1/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Yep, I know -- this issue is valid for all those macros.
I'd like to hear what people think: are people happy if we add a
%posttrans macro (a bit more annoying for developers), knowing that
11.5/12.0 won't need all those macros thanks to the rpm collection
stuff?
Vincent
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There's one issue with the macro, though:
they wrongly assume that, on
upgrade, %postun of the old package is called before %post of the new
package. To be honest, it shouldn't matter in most cases, and the right
fix would imply using a %posttrans instead... On the other hand, if we
can use a mechanism to delay the call to gtk-update-icon-cache like you
suggest in your later mail, that'd work fine.
True. Notice from
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/ScriptletSnippets that Fedora
also uses touch, not sure if it's really needed by something.
Also, it's my understanding that the %postrans thing applies also to
%desktop_database_post* and %mime_database_post*, but Fedora uses
%post in this case (and removes the "if [ $1 -eq 0 ]" check from
%postun). No idea why...
13 Feb
13 Feb
22:01
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 11:30 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011, à 19:21 +0100, Cristian
Morales Vega a écrit :
It was not fun, but I've fixed all relevant packages in G:A/G:F. I'm
pushing all of them (~200) to Factory right now.
Vincent
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So nothing is running gtk-update-icon-cache,
whatever you install from
zypper or YaST. I have not seen the %icon_theme_cache_post macro used
even in the GNOME:Factory packages.
We do have packages using the macros, but we didn't have time to convert
everything, true.
17 Jan
17 Jan
19:38
2011/1/16 Cristian Morales Vega <cmorve69(a)yahoo.es>es>:
- SuSEconfig.gtk2 has been removed
But SuSEconfig.desktop-file-utils hasn't
(https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=SuSEconfig.desktop-file-u…)
¿¿??
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18 Jan
08:40
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 19:38 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
2011/1/16 Cristian Morales Vega
<cmorve69(a)yahoo.es>es>:
You can read .changes entries :-)
- Add rpm macros to update the mime database:
%desktop_database_post and %desktop_database_postun. This will
replace SuSEconfig.desktop-file-utils in the future, once we have
converted packages.
I can remove it now, though.
Vincent
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- SuSEconfig.gtk2 has been removed
But SuSEconfig.desktop-file-utils hasn't
(https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=SuSEconfig.desktop-file-u…)
¿¿??
17 Jan
17 Jan
23:21
2010/10/8 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Another thing I don't understand. In macros.desktop-file-utils and
macros.shared-mime-info, what are "${DESKTOP_DIR}" and "${MIME_DIR}"
supposed to do?? I didn't find any mention to those in any freedesktop
document.
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And
shouldn't the %desktop_database_* checks check for MimeType
entries in the desktop files before complaining? It's my understanding
that update-desktop-database does nothing if there are no MimeType
entries.
Right. I was wondering if it was worth it. But since it's not hard to
do... Updated checks attached.
18 Jan
18 Jan
08:38
Le lundi 17 janvier 2011, à 23:21 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
2010/10/8 Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Another thing I don't understand. In macros.desktop-file-utils and
macros.shared-mime-info, what are "${DESKTOP_DIR}" and "${MIME_DIR}"
supposed to do?? I didn't find any mention to those in any freedesktop
document.
Huh. Weird. Not sure what those lines are doing, they should be removed.
Vincent
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And
shouldn't the %desktop_database_* checks check for MimeType
entries in the desktop files before complaining? It's my understanding
that update-desktop-database does nothing if there are no MimeType
entries.
Right. I was wondering if it was worth it. But since it's not hard to
do... Updated checks attached. 
11 Oct
11 Oct
14:44
On 10/08/2010 04:30 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:
I've been adding some macros to make life easier
when packaging things
for GNOME, or desktop applications in general. See [1] for some of
those, and I guess I'll send a new mail later for the others -- I just
need to figure out where some of them should live.
It would be nice if you tried to push these macros to RPM upstream, so
Fedora will start using them too (which would make GNOME cross-distro
packaging easier).
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