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Manu Gupta

8 Feb 2011 8 Feb '11

19:29

Hi all, What does openSUSE focus on 1. Do we focus on Desktop? 2. Do we focus on Servers? 3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean? I ask this because 1. We are not as polished as a Desktop 2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins. 3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community. We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community. Regards Manu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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Bryen M. Yunashko

8 Feb 8 Feb

20:11

This is a question that really should be directed to -project, not marketing, because of the issues you've identified. But as such, you should know that a strategy team has existed that is developing the identity message and the strategy is now before the board for review and hopefully we'll have an official statement that will answer some of your questions. However, let me go ahead and try to answer some of your questions below. On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 00:59 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:

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Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop? 2. Do we focus on Servers? 3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

As identified by the strategy team, openSUSE is many things to many people. For some it is a desktop, and for others it is a server. This is, in fact, the strength of the openSUSE distro in that we put great focus on both sides.

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I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

Can you explain why you feel this is so? openSUSE actually has a reputation for being well-polished towards technical and professional users. Granted others feel that their distro is more polished for various reasons. That's the nature of the beast when we all become creatures of habit. But there are tons of reviews over the years lauding openSUSE for its polished look and feel. This is a question that should be posed to the specific Desktop teams, or -project. Not Marketing. We don't create the products.

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2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

We offer an 18-month life-cycle for support. This is not a bad amount for a free distro. If you're expecting longer support for critical systems, then that's what paid support servers are for. Nevertheless, we now have Tumbleweed which further enhances our life-support cycle. So we're actually improving on this. openSUSE is about stability and good security. And that is also what makes our servers good for implementation. Nevertheless, if you want longer life cycle, you can't have the chicken without the egg. Longer life cycle means having people around that can package for even older distro versions. We simply don't have that manpower yet.

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3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

Again, as I refer back to what I have been talking about lately... the focus of the marketing team, as an identity and message, needs to be about the Project, not just about the distro. Our focus should be on why you should contribute to the Project (which is much more than a distro) and attracting more developers and packagers. With a larger ecosystem, we can address specific questions you have raised above more easily. But again... the questions you are raising above are to be directed to the project, not to the marketing team, because the marketing team isn't the producer. :-) All of this will be brought up for discussion at the hackfest coming up in 2 weeks. Making sure we understand the message that the Project wants us to send out, which is that we are an ecosystem, much more than a distro. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

jdd

21:51

Le 08/02/2011 21:11, Bryen M. Yunashko a écrit :

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we now have Tumbleweed which further enhances our life-support cycle. So we're actually improving on this.

in fact it's Evergreeen, for this subject, Tumbleweed is the rolling release; not exactly what I would like on a server nothing else to add to your noce review jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

stuart＠bolin.org.uk

20:27

I say balance because openSUSE is great it supports so many platforms. For desktops KDE is great all the included software makes it a great drop in replacement for people used to windows and with ubuntu shifting focus to netbooks there is a market to be taken. For older machines lxde is amazing because its so light weight it runs on as little as 128mb like they are a new machine. For servers its strong and reliable and zypper and yast make it easy to configure plus the yast web interface. For netbooks and tablets mebo looks good although I haven't tested it yet. I think apart from fighting other distros why don't we try to fight the more mainstream os's? Sure we don't have the marketing budget they do but there must be things we can do? Local free ad sites, promotion of features like security, support and quality software rather than worrying about if the release schedule fits with server market? If the 8 month release cycle doesn't fit with sled why did we adopt it? There is a lot to be done I agree but I just think we look internally all too often. Opinions? I am planning a project for my final year project using kiwi-ltsp, openSUSE and beowolf clustering with recycled machines I found a great site on it today the more I learn about openSUSE the more amazed and impressed I get it just needs marketing!! Old reclaimed computers clustered together and older machines using them as thin clients all running variations of openSUSE. Stuart Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone -----Original Message----- From: Manu Gupta Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 00:59:25 To: Marketing-opensuse Subject: [opensuse-marketing] What is our identity? Hi all, What does openSUSE focus on 1. Do we focus on Desktop? 2. Do we focus on Servers? 3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean? I ask this because 1. We are not as polished as a Desktop 2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins. 3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community. We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community. Regards Manu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Kostas Koudaras

9 Feb 9 Feb

01:21

2011/2/8 Manu Gupta :

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Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop? 2. Do we focus on Servers? 3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

Apart from what Bryen said about directed to the wrong list I think that you are underestimating openSUSE. Today I traveled to Larisa(a city about 150 klm away from my city) in order to attend to a presentation of KDE 4.6 that one member of the Greek openSUSE community was one of the speakers. After the presentation we went to a tavern along with people who use other distributions like Kubuntu and Gentoo and some others, at some point we all agreed that openSUSE is a polished desktop distribution(by polished I mean quality) also we all agreed that now-days openSUSE has an identity as a distribution and as a project. Now I only mention that because I was probably the only person there who was not a developer to a project and that strengthened my believe to the openSUSE Project even more. Of course I believe I don't have to say that I am saying all that friendly, you know that :-) Stuart For netbooks you should try the KDE Plasma netbook (http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/). I am using it for almost a month and I am really satisfied and impressed about its speed. Note that I used to have gnome and before that I had tested Ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 some time ago.

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Kim Leyendecker

17:17

For me, openSUSE is a desktop-distro. I often introduces it as "the perfect desktop for you" But we´re not just into the desktop-market. I installed openSUSE 11.3 as a server, and with Tumblweed + Evergreen we have two projects, that gives us the chance, to be on some different markets. I think, for server, we need more than 2 years of support. But theirs SLES, and support you can get from Novell... So why should be openSUSE a server-distro!? As a short answer: In my eyes, openSUSE is a desktop distro. The best you can get. We have so much supported desktops. Their is KDE, GNOME and LXDE. Than Xfce, you can use IceWM, or just a lightweight X Window System..... For me, openSUSE is perfect for desktops cheers kdl Am 09.02.2011 02:21, schrieb Kostas Koudaras:

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2011/2/8 Manu Gupta:

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Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop? 2. Do we focus on Servers? 3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

Apart from what Bryen said about directed to the wrong list I think that you are underestimating openSUSE. Today I traveled to Larisa(a city about 150 klm away from my city) in order to attend to a presentation of KDE 4.6 that one member of the Greek openSUSE community was one of the speakers. After the presentation we went to a tavern along with people who use other distributions like Kubuntu and Gentoo and some others, at some point we all agreed that openSUSE is a polished desktop distribution(by polished I mean quality) also we all agreed that now-days openSUSE has an identity as a distribution and as a project. Now I only mention that because I was probably the only person there who was not a developer to a project and that strengthened my believe to the openSUSE Project even more. Of course I believe I don't have to say that I am saying all that friendly, you know that :-)

Stuart For netbooks you should try the KDE Plasma netbook (http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/). I am using it for almost a month and I am really satisfied and impressed about its speed. Note that I used to have gnome and before that I had tested Ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 some time ago.

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Stuart Tanner

10 Feb 10 Feb

00:07

Kim But if our Enterprise cousins can run SUSE on Jaguar Cray's then its obviously perfect for Servers also, but it depends if we are just talking about openSUSE or including into the identity the commercial versions. I only found out yesterday that SUSE is running on WySE Terminals something i never knew before. I have inspired quite a number of people in uni this week to build their final year bachelor projects around openSUSE Linux running on Beowulf Clusters and connecting in with openSUSE / LXDE / kiwi-ltsp to replicate thin client technology by reclaiming and reusing older computer hardware. This concept will proove that openSUSE can run on desktops, servers and thin clients from end to end, managed nodes, management console and through a pxe boot environment into the terminals. Thank you to the community you inspire me to great things every single day!! Don't forget that SLES is openSUSE just with older software for stability. Stuart On Wednesday 09 Feb 2011 17:17:54 Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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For me, openSUSE is a desktop-distro. I often introduces it as "the perfect desktop for you" But we´re not just into the desktop-market. I installed openSUSE 11.3 as a server, and with Tumblweed + Evergreen we have two projects, that gives us the chance, to be on some different markets. I think, for server, we need more than 2 years of support. But theirs SLES, and support you can get from Novell... So why should be openSUSE a server-distro!?

As a short answer:

In my eyes, openSUSE is a desktop distro. The best you can get. We have so much supported desktops. Their is KDE, GNOME and LXDE. Than Xfce, you can use IceWM, or just a lightweight X Window System..... For me, openSUSE is perfect for desktops

cheers kdl

Am 09.02.2011 02:21, schrieb Kostas Koudaras:

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2011/2/8 Manu Gupta:

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Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop? 2. Do we focus on Servers? 3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

Apart from what Bryen said about directed to the wrong list I think that you are underestimating openSUSE. Today I traveled to Larisa(a city about 150 klm away from my city) in order to attend to a presentation of KDE 4.6 that one member of the Greek openSUSE community was one of the speakers. After the presentation we went to a tavern along with people who use other distributions like Kubuntu and Gentoo and some others, at some point we all agreed that openSUSE is a polished desktop distribution(by polished I mean quality) also we all agreed that now-days openSUSE has an identity as a distribution and as a project. Now I only mention that because I was probably the only person there who was not a developer to a project and that strengthened my believe to the openSUSE Project even more. Of course I believe I don't have to say that I am saying all that friendly, you know that :-)

Stuart For netbooks you should try the KDE Plasma netbook (http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/). I am using it for almost a month and I am really satisfied and impressed about its speed. Note that I used to have gnome and before that I had tested Ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 some time ago.

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Helen

00:21

n Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Stuart Tanner wrote:

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Kim

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I have inspired quite a number of people in uni this week to build their final year bachelor projects around openSUSE Linux running on Beowulf Clusters and connecting in with openSUSE / LXDE / kiwi-ltsp to replicate thin client technology by reclaiming and reusing older computer hardware.

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Stuart

Exciting stuff, Stuart! On the topic in general, just to throw in my 2c - I think it depends on who you are talking to. There are times when we will want to focus on desktop, and times to focus on server, as well as other, broader aspects of the project as discussed previously. I'll be interested to hear what comes out of the board's review of the strategy team's work. Balance is on the whole a healthy approach, but I think one area that worries all of us is division of limited resources; I know I'm finding myself pulled in many directions. With so many great things going on, it can be difficult to stay focused. So perhaps we need to have some ideas for tracking tasks, so we know what is being done, our own place in the ecosystem, and can also see where attention is being focused (so areas that are neglected will also stand out). Maybe simple kanban? http://simple-kanban.com/ There might be times when we really need to hone in on one or two things for specific conferences or events; perhaps we need to look at release schedules for different parts of the project and have a cyclical approach. I concur with the need to emphasize end-user, Desktop and non-business functions, because SUSE and Novell have such an established business orientation that many people might overlook openSUSE because of that - forgetting that the very stability and functionality that makes it perfect for business will also enhance their own work and home use. cheers Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Kim Leyendecker

18:35

Am 10.02.2011 01:07, schrieb Stuart Tanner:

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Thank you to the community you inspire me to great things every single day!! I have to say thank you too to the community, by the way.

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Don't forget that SLES is openSUSE just with older software for stability.

Yes, it´s openSUSE 11.1 right, but SLES isn´t maintained by the openSUSE community, or not? So I prefer saying that openSUSE is a desktop-distro. Here in my hometown are really much people who just want that their computers "run" so, openSUSE is my system of choice and I ever say, that´s some much easier using Linux, espacially openSUSE. It´s hard but some people are thinking of using Linux. I hope that the release of 11.4 can make them using openSUSE. For the identity: We´re a large and healthy community, that develops one of the best and popular linux distributions of the world: openSUSE kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.3 | KDE | Kernel-desktop 2.6.34-12 | using Tumbleweed This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Bryen M. Yunashko

18:46

On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 19:35 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Am 10.02.2011 01:07, schrieb Stuart Tanner:

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Thank you to the community you inspire me to great things every single day!! I have to say thank you too to the community, by the way.

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Don't forget that SLES is openSUSE just with older software for stability.

First of all, don't forget that SLES is just one of the SUSE offerings. They also offer SLED (their version of the Desktop.) openSUSE is used as a base for the SLE product line. They derive their server and their desktop offerings from us. Therefore, we're more of an upstream project than a base project. I think this is an important distinction we need to start emphasizing, because there are lots of potential spinoffs from openSUSE that don't even end up in SLE products. So let's start sayi that we are the UPSTREAM project.

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Yes, it´s openSUSE 11.1 right, but SLES isn´t maintained by the openSUSE community, or not? So I prefer saying that openSUSE is a desktop-distro. Here in my hometown are really much people who just want that their computers "run" so, openSUSE is my system of choice and I ever say, that´s some much easier using Linux, espacially openSUSE. It´s hard but some people are thinking of using Linux. I hope that the release of 11.4 can make them using openSUSE.

For the identity:

And that works for your particular market that you work with. Beauty of openSUSE. We can market it as a desktop and we can market it as a server. Plenty of people do market it as a server. Let's just be careful not to say that openSUSE is *just* a desktop server. It is really... anything you want it to be. Bryen

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We´re a large and healthy community, that develops one of the best and popular linux distributions of the world: openSUSE

kdl

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jdd

20:00

Le 10/02/2011 19:46, Bryen M. Yunashko a écrit :

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And that works for your particular market that you work with. Beauty of openSUSE. We can market it as a desktop and we can market it as a server. Plenty of people do market it as a server. Let's just be careful not to say that openSUSE is *just* a desktop server. It is really... anything you want it to be.

and we need ASAP an official definition of what we are... I don't want do begin again a long discussion (that said I'm all ok with yours arguments) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Bruno Friedmann

19:26

On 02/10/2011 07:35 PM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Am 10.02.2011 01:07, schrieb Stuart Tanner:

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Thank you to the community you inspire me to great things every single day!! I have to say thank you too to the community, by the way.

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Don't forget that SLES is openSUSE just with older software for stability.

Yes, it´s openSUSE 11.1 right, but SLES isn´t maintained by the openSUSE community, or not? So I prefer saying that openSUSE is a desktop-distro. Here in my hometown are really much people who just want that their computers "run" so, openSUSE is my system of choice and I ever say, that´s some much easier using Linux, espacially openSUSE. It´s hard but some people are thinking of using Linux. I hope that the release of 11.4 can make them using openSUSE.

For the identity:

Sorry Kim , 85% of the openSUSE boxes I maintain around are server. So openSUSE is SERVER ! openSUSE is whatever you do with it. Don't insist too much on the desktop, that feature is just a convience to have multiple console in one screen :-)

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We´re a large and healthy community, that develops one of the best and popular linux distributions of the world: openSUSE

kdl

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Kim Leyendecker

11 Feb 11 Feb

11:14

Am 10.02.2011 20:26, schrieb Bruno Friedmann:

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Sorry Kim , 85% of the openSUSE boxes I maintain around are server. So openSUSE is SERVER ! openSUSE is whatever you do with it. Don't insist too much on the desktop, that feature is just a convience to have multiple console in one screen:-) 85%, really? Oh that´s nice, so I can say in future to everyone that openSUSE is for desktops _and_ servers? (In general, whole possible use cases of openSUSE are too big for the users, who just want that their PC is running, so I normaly come to the point, that it´s one of the best choices for your desktop.)

For the identity again: We´re a large and healthy community, that develops _and_ supports a linux distribution called openSUSE. You can use our universal distro for your desktop-PC, your Server, your tablet.... what ever you want. openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.) that you can use in almost all use cases. But there isn´t "just" the distro. With our build service you can create packages for the most popular distributions, like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandriva and of course openSUSE. With SUSE Studio you can create your own linux distro, a lightweight openSUSE appliance or just your personally openSUSE installation media. cheers kdl Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.3 | KDE | Kernel-desktop 2.6.34-12 | using Tumbleweed This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Manu Gupta

11:27

On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:14 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Am 10.02.2011 20:26, schrieb Bruno Friedmann:

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Sorry Kim , 85% of the openSUSE boxes I maintain around are server. So openSUSE is SERVER ! openSUSE is whatever you do with it. Don't insist too much on the desktop, that feature is just a convience to have multiple console in one screen:-) 85%, really? Oh that´s nice, so I can say in future to everyone that openSUSE is for desktops _and_ servers? (In general, whole possible use cases of openSUSE are too big for the users, who just want that their PC is running, so I normaly come to the point, that it´s one of the best choices for your desktop.)

For the identity again:

We´re a large and healthy community, that develops _and_ supports a linux distribution called openSUSE. You can use our universal distro for your desktop-PC, your Server, your tablet.... what ever you want. openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.) that you can use in almost all use cases. But there isn´t "just" the distro. With our build service you can create packages for the most popular distributions, like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandriva and of course openSUSE. With SUSE Studio you can create your own linux distro, a lightweight openSUSE appliance or just your personally openSUSE installation media.

Perfect!!!! :) I like this one very much.... Sounds like a publicity statement to me.. but very much true Thanks a lot Regards Manu btw Are you on planetsuse, if not add yourself there :)

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cheers kdl

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jdd

12:23

Le 11/02/2011 12:27, Manu Gupta a écrit :

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openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.)

warning: Debian build for almost any hardware platform, we don't. openSUSE is nearly universal for PC (that is intel or amd) processors jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Kim Leyendecker

12:39

Am 11.02.2011 13:23, schrieb jdd:

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Le 11/02/2011 12:27, Manu Gupta a écrit :

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openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.) warning:

Debian build for almost any hardware platform, we don't.

openSUSE is nearly universal for PC (that is intel or amd) processors

jdd Yes, I use this expression for the possible use cases you have: You can use openSUSE for a Desktop-PC, for a Server or for your netbook. Yes, it means the PC-way. That´s why I asked for a new expression that´s more clearly.

kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.3 | KDE | Kernel-desktop 2.6.34-12 | using Tumbleweed This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Bruno Friedmann

12:47

On 02/11/2011 01:39 PM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Am 11.02.2011 13:23, schrieb jdd:

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Le 11/02/2011 12:27, Manu Gupta a écrit :

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openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.) warning:

Debian build for almost any hardware platform, we don't.

openSUSE is nearly universal for PC (that is intel or amd) processors

jdd Yes, I use this expression for the possible use cases you have: You can use openSUSE for a Desktop-PC, for a Server or for your netbook. Yes, it means the PC-way. That´s why I asked for a new expression that´s more clearly.

kdl

Just before you forget look at https://build.opensuse.org/monitor we build for ppc & arm too :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

James Mason

15 Feb 15 Feb

18:56

On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 13:23 +0100, jdd wrote:

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Le 11/02/2011 12:27, Manu Gupta a écrit :

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openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.)

warning:

Debian build for almost any hardware platform, we don't.

openSUSE is nearly universal for PC (that is intel or amd) processors

jdd

-- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14

Umm... openSUSE builds for ppc & arm as well. Also, SLES runs ~85% of IBM S390 mainframes... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

jdd

16 Feb 16 Feb

07:07

Le 15/02/2011 19:56, James Mason a écrit :

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Umm... openSUSE builds for ppc & arm as well. Also, SLES runs ~85% of IBM S390 mainframes...

Debina is downloadable for: * amd64 * armel * kfreebsd-i386 * kfreebsd-amd64 * i386 * ia64 * mips * mipsel * powerpc * sparc * s390 * source * multi-arch and some more are available with older versions we should state the arch list, at least on footnote jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Helen

11 Feb 11 Feb

11:33

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openSUSE is whatever you do with it.

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For the identity again:

We´re a large and healthy community, that develops _and_ supports a linux distribution called openSUSE. You can use our universal distro for your desktop-PC, your Server, your tablet.... what ever you want. openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.) that you can use in almost all use cases. But there isn´t "just" the distro. With our build service you can create packages for the most popular distributions, like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandriva and of course openSUSE. With SUSE Studio you can create your own linux distro, a lightweight openSUSE appliance or just your personally openSUSE installation media.

cheers kdl

Though this is similar to the sorts of things we'e often talked about in various places, it was very useful for me to read this just now. That is such a neat statement encompassing such a lot of the project! I was reading a marketing book today, thinking about branding. There's a picture of an advertisement for Diet Coke, with a list of the "ten reasons people drink Diet Coke" and all of them were "taste" with "just for the taste of it" slogan. This sort of 'one note' campaign has some great qualities, making a very strong connection with people. I look at that picture and remember the theme song from the 80s! But how to do that with openSUSE? I've been mulling this over quite a lot, because the project has so many aspects or branches. I've been thinking about ways to structure themes and strategies around each branch, and each being promoted separately depending on the audience - desktop or server or development tool depending on the context, who is asking, the magazine style or whatever. But the 'anything, everything' idea - " openSUSE is whatever you do with it" could work too. That comment makes me think " makes me think "any color you want" or "whatever you want it to be" ... it fits very well with the Chameleon mascot, changing color to fit any background. So... I'm not sure what my point is here, just some random musings really.....! Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

jdd

12:26

Le 11/02/2011 12:33, Helen a écrit :

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But the 'anything, everything' idea - " openSUSE is whatever you do with it" could work too.

it was pretty strongly refused on the project goal discussion ("openSUSE is for power user" was the motto then, not for dummies) not to say I don't like ,it :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Helen

21:40

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But the 'anything, everything' idea - " openSUSE is whatever you do with it" could work too.

it was pretty strongly refused on the project goal discussion ("openSUSE is for power user" was the motto then, not for dummies)

not to say I don't like ,it :-)

jdd

By 'anything, everything' I meant powerful, versatile -I agree with Power User idea and not dummies. (Even though as discussed previously, openSUSE can work well for new users) - but the Power User also comes in many forms. Actually the fact that you can use openSUSE for anything you want makes it so much more attractive, because you are using basically the same set of tools - no need to remember how the other distro does things. cheers Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Kim Leyendecker

22:48

Am 11.02.2011 22:40, schrieb Helen:

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Actually the fact that you can use openSUSE for anything you want makes it so much more attractive, because you are using basically the same set of tools - no need to remember how the other distro does things. Let us call it "individual use case & much chances to use one tool"

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Ricardo Chung

15:07

On Friday, February 11, 2011 06:33:42 AM Helen wrote:

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openSUSE is whatever you do with it.

For the identity again:

We´re a large and healthy community, that develops _and_ supports a linux distribution called openSUSE. You can use our universal distro for your desktop-PC, your Server, your tablet.... what ever you want. openSUSE is a universal operating system (can everybody find another expression for that, it looks really like Debian.) that you can use in almost all use cases. But there isn´t "just" the distro. With our build service you can create packages for the most popular distributions, like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandriva and of course openSUSE. With SUSE Studio you can create your own linux distro, a lightweight openSUSE appliance or just your personally openSUSE installation media.

cheers kdl

Though this is similar to the sorts of things we'e often talked about in various places, it was very useful for me to read this just now. That is such a neat statement encompassing such a lot of the project!

I was reading a marketing book today, thinking about branding. There's a picture of an advertisement for Diet Coke, with a list of the "ten reasons people drink Diet Coke" and all of them were "taste" with "just for the taste of it" slogan.

It made thinking about "openSUSE, the Colours for your Colours". It is about semiotic and the way people can perceive what it means for them but emotional enough to be catchy. You would think it is about options in openSUSE as distro desktop, server, netbook, etc. or tools to develp or desktops or packaging beyond frontiers or distro customization, etc.... Still playing with the concepts to get the enlightment too. ;-)

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This sort of 'one note' campaign has some great qualities, making a very strong connection with people. I look at that picture and remember the theme song from the 80s! But how to do that with openSUSE?

And they build a campaign by repetion with almost no variation. Make an emotional association among images, shape, color, words, and sounds.

...

I've been mulling this over quite a lot, because the project has so many aspects or branches. I've been thinking about ways to structure themes and strategies around each branch, and each being promoted separately depending on the audience - desktop or server or development tool depending on the context, who is asking, the magazine style or whatever.

We need an unified image, unified global concept, able to wrap the whole openSUSE subprojects with one persistent image (colors, shapes, textures, words, sounds). This image should be able to transmit that openSUSE Project has the right color (tool, desktop enviroment, clent-server, packager, customizer, builder, etc...) for what we just need to do

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But the 'anything, everything' idea - " openSUSE is whatever you do with it" could work too. That comment makes me think " makes me think "any color you want" or "whatever you want it to be" ... it fits very well with the Chameleon mascot, changing color to fit any background.

And playing with the colours, spots, and stripes the chamaeleon is able to show take me to what openSUSE Project is able to deliver fullfilling our different needs.

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So... I'm not sure what my point is here, just some random musings really.....!

Helen

Sharing my thoughts with all of you can bring the right actions. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing version:| oS 11.4 Milestone 6 | KDE 4.6.00 | Mesa-Nouveau 3D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

12 Feb 12 Feb

19:04

I wasn't really happy with identities that were proposed during discussions about strategy. Status of that discussion tells me that no one else was either. On Friday, February 11, 2011 05:33:42 am Helen wrote:

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But the 'anything, everything' idea - " openSUSE is whatever you do with it" could work too. That comment makes me think " makes me think "any color you want" or "whatever you want it to be" ... it fits very well with the Chameleon mascot, changing color to fit any background.

Yes, we should go with our mascot properties, blending in any environment, server or personal use (desktop, laptop, netbook), plus I would also use mascot properties in color selection for artwork, which can give artists much more freedom. If we want to stick with green then chameleon is not for us. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

jdd

20:39

Le 12/02/2011 20:04, Rajko M. a écrit :

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If we want to stick with green then chameleon is not for us.

we can use mostly gren and go around from there, like patchwork http://www.hancocks-paducah.com/ProductImages/Thumbnails/K10840163.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0p-8-k5LfHQ/TMl2WM078zI/AAAAAAAADP4/6vVLNX4kCxw/s4... http://www.dinosoria.com/reptil_prehi/cameleon_09.jpg http://album.aufeminin.com/album/see_200414_52/Mes-travaux-d-aiguilles.html http://rlv.zcache.com/cartoon_chameleon_for_christmas_postage-p1728803456535... http://www.chrischameleon.com/foto/th_20090531182102.jpg http://files.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_1316/13160255/file/natura-i... this one is nice: http://photos-des-iles.net/la-reunion/images/cameleon-vert.jpg this one is specially cute :-) http://www.etsy.com/listing/28866167/crazy-chameleon next johnny Depp film: http://img.ozap.com/03C003C003378708-photo-rango.jpg http://filmpopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/rango-movie-poster.jpg and by the way, the video abiout chameleon and glasses is an add... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

jdd

11 Feb 11 Feb

11:48

Le 11/02/2011 12:14, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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openSUSE is for desktops _and_ servers?

that's right, you can add than the ncurse (semi-graphic) yast interface makes it extremely friendly to setup the server jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Neel Kamal Kalita

13 Feb 13 Feb

05:43

Yep, it's a good thought. we need to establish ourselves in Desktop as well as good server section. On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Manu Gupta wrote:

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Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop? 2. Do we focus on Servers? 3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

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James Mason

15 Feb 15 Feb

19:10

On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 00:59 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:

...

Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop?

Yes

...

2. Do we focus on Servers?

Yes

...

3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

It means that openSUSE is the *only* complete, well-rounded distribution. Only openSUSE provides a single installation media that is equally suited to Servers, Virtual Servers, Workstations, Desktops, Laptops, Netbooks, Tablets.

...

I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

In comparison to ? More than one press outlet has reviewed openSUSE as having the cleanest KDE implementation. And no other distro provides KDE, Gnome, LXDE, XFCE, IceWM, TWM, FVWM, all completely usable, all on one media.

...

2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

Our lifecycle is fine for servers. I've been using it on servers since 7.2. The choice to upgrade and stay current, or leave a running server as-is is up to the SysAdmin.

...

3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

openSUSE is extremely flexible, and hides the inherent complexity of that under a layer of well-engineered tools (esp. YaST). Our installer provides not just one-click options to choose desktop, but also one-click software patterns for LAMP stack, Kernel development, Ruby on Rails, etc. No other distro offers that flexibility, and quality, in a single distribution. Ubuntu, more than any other annoys me on this front. Ubuntu guy: "Here's an Ubuntu CD. It has a really easy to use desktop. Try it out!" Linux user: "Okay, but I prefer KDE." Ubuntu guy: "Okay, here's a Kubuntu CD instead." Linux user: "I noticed you didn't emphasize usability on the Kubuntu" Ubuntu guy: "Umm... its basically stock KDE." Linux user: "Okay, I also want to build a lightweight file server for my home network." Ubuntu guy: "Oh. Here's an Ubuntu server CD." Linux user: "My daughter is using an older laptop - can I try out LXDE on it with any of these 3 CDs?" Ubuntu guy: "No, but you can download Lubuntu. But we don't support it, its not 'official'." Linux user: "What's that mean - I thought Ubuntu was free? What support?" Ubuntu guy: "You can buy support for the 'official' versions." Linux user: ":/" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Bryen M. Yunashko

16 Feb 16 Feb

01:12

James, you truly rock with your dead-on responses below. Its going to be great having you join us at the hackfest. These are excellent talking points and should definitely be incorporated into http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Talking_points See you next week. Will be good to finally meet you. Bryen On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 11:10 -0800, James Mason wrote:

...

On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 00:59 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:

...
Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop?

Yes

...
2. Do we focus on Servers?

Yes

...
3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

It means that openSUSE is the *only* complete, well-rounded distribution. Only openSUSE provides a single installation media that is equally suited to Servers, Virtual Servers, Workstations, Desktops, Laptops, Netbooks, Tablets.

...
I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

In comparison to ? More than one press outlet has reviewed openSUSE as having the cleanest KDE implementation. And no other distro provides KDE, Gnome, LXDE, XFCE, IceWM, TWM, FVWM, all completely usable, all on one media.

...
2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

Our lifecycle is fine for servers. I've been using it on servers since 7.2. The choice to upgrade and stay current, or leave a running server as-is is up to the SysAdmin.

...
3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

openSUSE is extremely flexible, and hides the inherent complexity of that under a layer of well-engineered tools (esp. YaST). Our installer provides not just one-click options to choose desktop, but also one-click software patterns for LAMP stack, Kernel development, Ruby on Rails, etc. No other distro offers that flexibility, and quality, in a single distribution.

Ubuntu, more than any other annoys me on this front.

Ubuntu guy: "Here's an Ubuntu CD. It has a really easy to use desktop. Try it out!" Linux user: "Okay, but I prefer KDE." Ubuntu guy: "Okay, here's a Kubuntu CD instead." Linux user: "I noticed you didn't emphasize usability on the Kubuntu" Ubuntu guy: "Umm... its basically stock KDE." Linux user: "Okay, I also want to build a lightweight file server for my home network." Ubuntu guy: "Oh. Here's an Ubuntu server CD." Linux user: "My daughter is using an older laptop - can I try out LXDE on it with any of these 3 CDs?" Ubuntu guy: "No, but you can download Lubuntu. But we don't support it, its not 'official'." Linux user: "What's that mean - I thought Ubuntu was free? What support?" Ubuntu guy: "You can buy support for the 'official' versions." Linux user: ":/"

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Ricardo Chung

02:58

On Martes, 15 de Febrero de 2011 20:12:27 Bryen M. Yunashko escribió:

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James, you truly rock with your dead-on responses below. Its going to be great having you join us at the hackfest. These are excellent talking points and should definitely be incorporated into http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Talking_points

See you next week. Will be good to finally meet you.

Bryen

On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 11:10 -0800, James Mason wrote:

...
On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 00:59 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:

...
Hi all,

What does openSUSE focus on

1. Do we focus on Desktop?

Yes

...
2. Do we focus on Servers?

Yes

...
3. We say we focus on balance,but what does that actually mean?

It means that openSUSE is the *only* complete, well-rounded distribution. Only openSUSE provides a single installation media that is equally suited to Servers, Virtual Servers, Workstations, Desktops, Laptops, Netbooks, Tablets.

...
I ask this because

1. We are not as polished as a Desktop

In comparison to ? More than one press outlet has reviewed openSUSE as having the cleanest KDE implementation. And no other distro provides KDE, Gnome, LXDE, XFCE, IceWM, TWM, FVWM, all completely usable, all on one media.

...
2. Our life cycle is not suited for Servers / Sysadmins.

Our lifecycle is fine for servers. I've been using it on servers since 7.2. The choice to upgrade and stay current, or leave a running server as-is is up to the SysAdmin.

...
3. Nor are we exactly rolling releases, might be tumbleweed but there are 100s of old packages too

I think we should be able to change that with 11.4 release atleast that helps a lot. So if we do not decide it soon, we will certainly go under an already existing identity crisis which is not good for the community.

We should regardless of anything, yes even the strategy (although more alligned with it is preferable) must have a few plans to focus on for 11.4 release. Attracting a particular audience should change a lot of perspective outside the community.

Regards Manu

openSUSE is extremely flexible, and hides the inherent complexity of that under a layer of well-engineered tools (esp. YaST). Our installer provides not just one-click options to choose desktop, but also one-click software patterns for LAMP stack, Kernel development, Ruby on Rails, etc. No other distro offers that flexibility, and quality, in a single distribution.

Ubuntu, more than any other annoys me on this front.

Ubuntu guy: "Here's an Ubuntu CD. It has a really easy to use desktop. Try it out!" Linux user: "Okay, but I prefer KDE." Ubuntu guy: "Okay, here's a Kubuntu CD instead." Linux user: "I noticed you didn't emphasize usability on the Kubuntu" Ubuntu guy: "Umm... its basically stock KDE." Linux user: "Okay, I also want to build a lightweight file server for my home network." Ubuntu guy: "Oh. Here's an Ubuntu server CD." Linux user: "My daughter is using an older laptop - can I try out LXDE on it with any of these 3 CDs?" Ubuntu guy: "No, but you can download Lubuntu. But we don't support it, its not 'official'." Linux user: "What's that mean - I thought Ubuntu was free? What support?" Ubuntu guy: "You can buy support for the 'official' versions." Linux user: ":/"

I did read an openSUSE Ecosystem article by James Mason some time ago. It is one of the best article I have ever read about openSUSE Project. It's has a very didactic vision. And I think it would be very useful to bring it back fresh and make it available for marketing talks with James permission. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador a.k.a. amonthoth -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

jdd

07:05

Le 15/02/2011 20:10, James Mason a écrit :

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openSUSE is extremely flexible, and hides the inherent complexity of that under a layer of well-engineered tools (esp. YaST). Our installer provides not just one-click options to choose desktop, but also one-click software patterns for LAMP stack, Kernel development, Ruby on Rails, etc. No other distro offers that flexibility, and quality, in a single distribution.

pretty well said. I would let out the last sentence (it's true, but no necessity of being negative :-)

...

Ubuntu, more than any other annoys me on this front.

same here. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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