@Shankar

How much ever hard we GNU people argue, it seems that these Linux people won't accept our side. It has been more than a decade now ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy ) and they don't seem to accept prefixing GNU. You know what we GNU people should do ?

We should complete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd so that we don't have to fight with these people who insist on omitting GNU. Now, you channelize all your energy for the completion of Hurd rather than arguing with these Linux-ey people. We can then call it whatever we want. That is what winners should do.

Nicely told and somewhat accepted approach. But making HURD better is not a solution to the current problem where users and fellow developers go against giving GNU the due credit. They generally do so because they are not aware why GNU should be given credit and why giving credit to GNU boosts up the free software movement itself. See the relationships of FSM with Open Source at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html

Oh. btw,

1) Remove your google groups. bcos, you know Google groups is not exactly free software. Oh may be stop using www.google.com at all. They track all our queries and we lose our freedom.

The way you wrote this part, I dont think you gave the words much respect and put them here out of your worry. Anyway, as far as using online groups is concerned, I think I dont have any problem in letting anybody know how strong we are and how much we support freedom in technology. So if somebody is tracking over my group about free technology movement, I will let him do so. After all, in case of groups every information posted is always for public viewing. As far as using google is concerned, RMS gives his opinion here http://guiodic.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/richard-stallman-interview/ (search for google)

2) Stop using mobile phones. because they are portable surveillance and tracking devices ( http://fsfe.org/projects/gplv3/barcelona-rms-transcript.ca.html#draft2-previ... search for mobile )

http://www.openmoko.com/ and http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.openmoko.community/2007-04/msg00219.html

Completing Hurd will do more benefit to the cause of free software than arguing about pre-fixing GNU with these linux hackers in a linux distro mailing list. So get started :-)

It's not about prefixing the GNU and taking credit. It's about how people respect and are aware of GNU. As GNU people we need to make them aware of GNU's contribution and teach them why should they show respect and call it GNU/Linux. After all, calling it Linux is just technically and ethically wrong.

For everyone else,

I am communitily(1) closing the two controversial unproductive threads. Please stop responding to the two mail threads as it is just creating noise and doing nothing to help anyone interested in openSUSE. The moment anyone starts a reply, it is gonna start a flame. I sent this mail two days back, and it got bounced. This will be the last mail from me on this thread and I wish everyone make this the last mail on the thread.

Such dictating and fear of free discussion makes me feel that you are NOT a GNU or Free Software Friend.

I don't like single-issue people, nor do I think that people who turn the world into black and white are very nice or ultimately very useful.  --- Linus

Seconded by --- Sankar

"The fact that Torvalds says "open source" instead of "free software" shows where he is coming from. I wrote the GNU GPL to defend freedom for all users of all versions of a program. I developed version 3 to do that job better and protect against new threats. Torvalds says he rejects this goal; that's probably why he doesn't appreciate GPL version 3. I respect his right to express his views, even though I think they are foolish. However, if you don't want to lose your freedom, you had better not follow him." --- Richard Matthew Stallman Seconded by --- ADM

okaythxbye

-- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com All opinions expressed are personal.  My employer is not responsible a bit for any of the words.

(1) - When the word "officially" can be there, why can't we have "communitily" ;-)

Good humour and way of writing. --- ADM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org