Yes, I marked it for deletion. He make the page an initiated with this an program called "Free Media Person" that not exists, he added this site to "Geeko wants you" this link I deleted.

http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD_11.0

There is an better Place ;)

We should talk about his idea and try out what is the best way for it.

br gnokii

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 Eric

Let me make it clear to you gnokii. Why do you think you own openSUSE and can do whatever you want with the community without understanding a bit of what another community member tried to do? Your behavior is showing signs of dictatorship and hunger for name and fame. Free Media Persons are people who already have a DVD and want to share with others who live near to his place. This is one of the basic things in Free Software. If one wants to find a person near to him who has a dvd, he should have a place to go and check on openSUSE wiki. That's what I created and it was the right thing to do. But you marked it for deletion without informing me or the list and without understanding the meaning of the page (I know your english knowledge is poor and I know I should not point it out but that makes me think that you did not understand the text I written over there). I ask you to show cause. - ADM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Hi, can you please stop, we are all supporter of Free Software, Open Source, Free Thinking, and Sharing with others.

Yes, I think I can when you guys stop pushing me to believe that you are mocking it. Explain me why a place to list yourself as a person providing downloaded .iso medias or CD/DVDs in your locality should be marked as "Nonsense"!!!!??? http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Free_Media_Persons

Your bit is getting old. And to be honest, the way you are trying to push things, I know turns a lot people off Free/Opensource Software as something Marxist. You are doing more harm than good.

I am not trying to provide some "turn on" to people as per their liking. People must know why they should join Free Software Movement, why this is needed and what are the benefits. Mere technical answers would leave them with the idea that this is a good piece of software that I can use as "alternative" to my non-free system. But if they understand the correct meaning of free software they will feel that this is not just an alternative but this is the only ethical choice. In that way I think I might not be as harmful as you said.

Free Media Persons doesn't exist in the OpenSUSE Project. Gnokii has written an better Place for this...

It is not supposed to be an official project but must exist as a voluntary one.

I think thats the problem you think we should promote the next release other think this "Free Media Person" is for new users ;) The only problem is was no discussion about this here.

Was this your answer to my query? Do you at all understand english or not? Whats your preferred language? should I post translated text next time? - ADM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:

first of all, i think you are sick, you have verbal incontinence. Learn to listen. You're 24 and you are an Newbie, nobody are interested about what you have to say. So my advice to you: Shut up!

If this was someone's first introduction to openSUSE, would this look like a project they want to join and work with, or run away from? I don't find ADM's contributions to the -marketing list very productive - but shouting someone down on the list isn't going to work either. If you find yourself wanting to send something heated to the list, please step away from the keyboard and calm down a bit. If there's nothing productive to be gained by prolonging a conversation, please just let it drop. Thanks, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Perhaps someone will care to enlighten me on what is acceptable contributions and what is not? Now this is an innocent question and so don't read to much into it. I thought what ADM initiated was a good idea, not knowing that it would provoke a storm. I signed up as an Ambassador because I would like to spread some OpenSUSE love around. I am really new to this whole ambassadorial thing and while I have been a SUSE/SLED/OpenSUSE for a few years it is only now I decided to do something to contribute back. While I do not fully understand the reasons for the rough languages being used, perhaps it will be best for all if we can reduce the temperature of our discussions. Regards, Eric On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:11 AM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:

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first of all, i think you are sick, you have verbal incontinence. Learn to listen. You're 24 and you are an Newbie, nobody are interested about what you have to say. So my advice to you: Shut up!

If this was someone's first introduction to openSUSE, would this look like a project they want to join and work with, or run away from?

I don't find ADM's contributions to the -marketing list very productive - but shouting someone down on the list isn't going to work either.

If you find yourself wanting to send something heated to the list, please step away from the keyboard and calm down a bit. If there's nothing productive to be gained by prolonging a conversation, please just let it drop.

Thanks,

Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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Eric,

It's true that both threads led to a reduction in civility and camaraderie and its sad. It is not, however, a reflection of what you can/cannot discuss. ADM was free to bring up the issue of GNU/Linux versus Linux, as it is a concern that *some* people have. But the rhetoric on his side as well as by responders escalated to the point of thread-destruction.

It should be a lesson to all of us to 1) turn the other cheek when anyone tries to instigate and 2) not allow threads to get hijacked. That's where the problem came here and why some people said enough already. It was not a lack of contribution or thereof, but rather a lack of productivity.

As for your question specificially about what defines contribution, it boils down basically to two things: 1) Contribute to the quality of the Project and 2) You contribute by promoting the project. That's basically it.

Now, as for applying for openSUSE Membership, we, the openSUSE Board, evaluate on a case-by-case basis to verify that some level of significant contribution has been made in the past. That means we look for bug reports you may have filed, wiki edits, blogs promoting openSUSE, participation in mailing lists, translations, etc.

Membership, not to be confused with Ambassadorship, is really the only area at this point in time where we measure a person's contribution to the project. And membership is *only* open to those who have made contributions, not to people who apply saying "I want to join and contribute."

So basically, keep doing what you feel is right to promote openSUSE as an Ambassador and make sure we all know about it.

And thank you for volunteering to be an Ambassador!

@Bryen I think its not the Gnu discussion invented from ADM. Eric means the "Free Media Persons". @Eric I say it again, I have no problem with the idea. I mean its good but the way he started is thats the problem. He told us his idea and two minutes later, he told as the name of a new program and his page. As I said the page has only an table there is no text for explanation for what it is. He told me its an wiki and I can make it better. I had no problem when he had that put on his own site in the wiki and said there from me can get interesting user medias. But an new page with an very ugly name? Linked from on of the important sites in the wiki with "to be an Free Media Person" under ways to help suse? Other people should make better his creation without understanding his idea? Why we must agree this "program" without an discussion how its the best way to do it? Why are people they said it to him "dictators". The problem of ADM is he think all its personally and he is going amok. That problem he has in the fedora project too. Read the mailinglist archives. For the question what can an Ambassador do and was not. Its simple when you not sure ask on this list. But why not asking always ;) When you ask always here, then you get meanings and ideas to make your idea better maybe there is on there like your idea and help you. Thats the way floss development always has worked, software created by the people, with the people and for the people BR gnokii

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Eric Yeoh wrote:

I understand now...thank you...yeah taking things personally can be detrimental to discussions.

However, the Free Media Persons programme, does other people think it is a good idea?

I really do not mind buying some blank DVDs and stick them with "legit" CD stickers and pass them on to anyone who are interested.

Perhaps having a link on the main openSUSE (I spell it correct for the 1st time yay!) Portal for those interested in getting some in their areas? By some, I meant maybe like 20 or 30 DVDs, not 100 as it will be costly then.

What does everyone think?

It is a great idea, and we already do this for long time now: "If you would like a free copy of openSUSE or openSUSE-Education DVD, please get it collected from the following address below(no shipping, for events and promotional activities see http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD), you can also drop in with your computer for free installation mail on free-install@cyberorg.info to find the available time for installation." http://groups.google.com/group/opensuse-india It would be really nice to get everyone willing to do similar thing listed on one central place, that is why I said ADM's Free Media Persons idea was a good one, we should be taking that forward. Just because he has some radical point of view does not mean everything he suggested lacked merit :) Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

2009/6/23 Abhradip mukherjee :

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:

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You're 24 and you are an Newbie Still you don't understand the simple logic which I do.

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So my advice to you: Shut up! Are you getting irritated? ;)

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So i propose all, to create an new Emailfilter, and so he dies in the Killfile.

Nice idea to force people to talk the way you like.

@zonker

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I don't find ADM's contributions to the -marketing list very productive Cant help as "they"(specifically gnokii) are simply creating a hell lot of obstacles for me in the way to contribute.

@Sascha Manns(again)

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But we have 2 unproductive Threads. Both are not coming to an end, because he makes reanimation ;-) To you it might be unproductive but to some others it might not be. Let others decide whether they find it as unproductive or not. Thought sharing is a valuable process in a community.

- ADM

+1 unproductive BR, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

2009/6/20 S.Kemter :

http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD_11.0

There is an better Place ;)

We should talk about his idea and try out what is the best way for it.

br gnokii

Why are we still promoting 11.0. Should it not be this page? - http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD_11.1 -- Koushik Kumar Nundy B.Tech, ECE Final year Journalist, GNU/Linux Users' Group openSuse Ambassador NIT Durgapur India. http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in http://planet-india.randomink.org http://kknundy.blogspot.com http://en.opensuse.org/ http://en.opensuse.org/User:Kknundy http://twitter.com/kknundy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

2009/6/22 S.Kemter :

Am Montag, den 22.06.2009, 23:13 +0530 schrieb Koushik Nundy:

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Why are we still promoting 11.0. Should it not be this page?  - http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD_11.1

I think thats the problem you think we should promote the next release other think this "Free Media Person" is for new users ;)

The only problem is was no discussion about this here.

Sorry, but I couldn't quite follow. Reply in Deutsch if you are more comfortable with it. i'll manage.

br gnokii

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Am Dienstag 23 Juni 2009 21:37:32 wrote S.Kemter:

Am Dienstag, den 23.06.2009, 17:19 +0530 schrieb Koushik Nundy:

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2009/6/22 S.Kemter :

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Am Montag, den 22.06.2009, 23:13 +0530 schrieb Koushik Nundy:

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Why are we still promoting 11.0. Should it not be this page? - http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD_11.1

I think thats the problem you think we should promote the next release other think this "Free Media Person" is for new users ;)

The only problem is was no discussion about this here.

Sorry, but I couldn't quite follow. Reply in Deutsch if you are more comfortable with it. i'll manage.

Meine Meinung ist, dass SUSE 11.1 noch im Teststadium ist und die Zielgruppe für die DVD/CD aber Einsteigernutzer sind keine Teser, die wissen sich meist selbst zu helfen. Ergo dürften wir zu diesem Zeitpunkt jetzt nur 11.0 verteilen Please write in english ;-)

-- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Ambassador (ZoneCoordinator Europe, Middle East and Africa) openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service openSUSE Features Screening Team Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Koushik Nundy wrote:

Are you sure 11.0 is still the last official release? wikipedia states last stable release is 11.1.

11.1 is the latest stable and "official" release. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org