[opensuse-kernel] What does this mean?
I just updated my 13.2 on my laptop and, of course, had the *-desktop kernel thrown out and replaced by the new you-beaut *-default kernel. At the end of the replacement process I got the following message: Some kernel modules could not be included: sd_mod unix atkbd i8042 ext4 swap autofs4 ipv6 Why have these modules been excluded and what is the effect of them not being included? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2015-10-04 at 16:28 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
I just updated my 13.2 on my laptop and, of course, had the *-desktop kernel thrown out and replaced by the new you-beaut *-default kernel.
Hm, why do you say "of course"? I just updated three of my 13.2 boxen, and still have kernel-desktop, with no 'default' kernels in sight other than the SLE kernels I built and installed myself. -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/10/15 17:06, Mike Galbraith wrote:
I just updated my 13.2 on my laptop and, of course, had the *-desktop kernel thrown out and replaced by the new you-beaut *-default kernel. Hm, why do you say "of course"? I just updated three of my 13.2 boxen, and still have kernel-desktop, with no 'default' kernels in sight other
On Sun, 2015-10-04 at 16:28 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: than the SLE kernels I built and installed myself.
-Mike
Ah, of course! :-) . I fell for something which I try and point out to others - but I do have a small excuse for this :-) . I assume that you cannot see my signature/Tagline which shows what I am using as a system. I am using kernel-desktop 4.2.2-1 which comes from '*/Kernel:/stable/standard/'. I am guessing that you last had a kernel update in the second week of August (3.16.7-24.1). BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2015-10-04 at 17:43 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
I assume that you cannot see my signature/Tagline which shows what I am using as a system. I am using kernel-desktop 4.2.2-1 which comes from '*/Kernel:/stable/standard/'.
If I had (a signature) with kernel version in it, I'd have to update the silly thing multiple times a day :) -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 04:28:53PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
I just updated my 13.2 on my laptop and, of course, had the *-desktop kernel thrown out and replaced by the new you-beaut *-default kernel.
At the end of the replacement process I got the following message:
Some kernel modules could not be included:
sd_mod unix atkbd i8042 ext4 swap autofs4 ipv6
Why have these modules been excluded and what is the effect of them not being included?
There are built into the -desktop kernel, so they are no external kernel moules for it. dracut tries to add them as modules, but fails as they are not there. There is nothing to worry about, the message is pretty much expected. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
At the end of the replacement process I got the following message:
Some kernel modules could not be included:
sd_mod unix atkbd i8042 ext4 swap autofs4 ipv6
Why have these modules been excluded and what is the effect of them not being included?
There are built into the -desktop kernel, so they are no external kernel moules for it.
dracut tries to add them as modules, but fails as they are not there.
There is nothing to worry about, the message is pretty much expected.
But why are those messages shown? I guess there exists a possibility to find out whether those modules are built in or not, right? At least not so experienced users might be quite irritated after doing `zypper up'. Werner -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 11:29:34AM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
At the end of the replacement process I got the following message:
Some kernel modules could not be included:
sd_mod unix atkbd i8042 ext4 swap autofs4 ipv6
Why have these modules been excluded and what is the effect of them not being included?
There are built into the -desktop kernel, so they are no external kernel moules for it.
dracut tries to add them as modules, but fails as they are not there.
There is nothing to worry about, the message is pretty much expected.
But why are those messages shown? I guess there exists a possibility to find out whether those modules are built in or not, right?
Not directly. There could be some form of whitelist where the warning is not shown or so.
At least not so experienced users might be quite irritated after doing `zypper up'.
True Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/10/15 20:29, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
At the end of the replacement process I got the following message:
Some kernel modules could not be included:
sd_mod unix atkbd i8042 ext4 swap autofs4 ipv6
Why have these modules been excluded and what is the effect of them not being included? There are built into the -desktop kernel, so they are no external kernel moules for it.
dracut tries to add them as modules, but fails as they are not there.
There is nothing to worry about, the message is pretty much expected. But why are those messages shown? I guess there exists a possibility to find out whether those modules are built in or not, right?
At least not so experienced users might be quite irritated after doing `zypper up'.
Well it's a bit more than just a simple "irritation". Users don't usually take such a laid back approach to what is installed on their systems. It seems that those modules were built-in into the *-desktop kernel (which I have been using since it became available and which saved me compiling my own because of the CONFIG_HZ at that time being set to only 250 -- and now we are 'back to the future' :-( ) because there was a need for them. If there was a need for them then the question has to be asked as to why suddenly they are not needed and are excluded. My question probably has only a "ho-hum" affect on people who deal with the kernel 24/7/365 but to me seeing that something like "ext4" and "ipv6" have been excluded raises serious concerns because all my paritions are formatted in ext4, and ipv6 is used to access web sites using this new numbering system. So, with at least these 2 modules "excluded", what effect does it have on my system? Good, bad, no affect, what? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-04 11:29, Werner LEMBERG wrote: ...
dracut tries to add them as modules, but fails as they are not there.
There is nothing to worry about, the message is pretty much expected.
But why are those messages shown? I guess there exists a possibility to find out whether those modules are built in or not, right?
That would be very nice.
At least not so experienced users might be quite irritated after doing `zypper up'.
Yes, I have seen several posts about those messages. People see them as important errors, because after all, they affect the kernel update, and if it is bad, the system will not boot. Even experienced users are confused. I do know that dracut is excessively verbose, so I should ignore whatever it says. But I have no way to know if there is some message in the list that is important but I ignore because there is so much noise... :-( IMO, dracut should be modified to keep silent, and only write about real errors. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYRMOsACgkQja8UbcUWM1yUJgD/T5TLLOb2/ixM6q9td+rTbZoS KdSSxD1W9CJWhHhMR+sBAIZAmb4Tw6eehPiG5T6Vjlla3AxhKEtnvoUMu9FI6Dlq =k6NY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 04.10.2015 um 07:28 schrieb Basil Chupin:
Why have these modules been excluded and what is the effect of them not being included?
Because they are compiled into the kernel and dracut fails to parse /lib/modules/<ver>/modules.builtin or does not parse it at all. Olaf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/10/15 21:49, Olaf Hering wrote:
Am 04.10.2015 um 07:28 schrieb Basil Chupin:
Why have these modules been excluded and what is the effect of them not being included? Because they are compiled into the kernel and dracut fails to parse /lib/modules/<ver>/modules.builtin or does not parse it at all.
Olaf
This whole thing is getting just a tad out of hand :-( . Marcus states that these are built into the *-desktop kernel - fine. But we are talking here about the new *-DEFAULT kernel which has *replaced* the *-desktop kernel which is now kapoot, gone, not to be seen once you get to kernel 4.2.2.x and beyond. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 04.10.2015 um 13:15 schrieb Basil Chupin:
But we are talking here about the new *-DEFAULT kernel which has *replaced* the *-desktop kernel which is now kapoot, gone, not to be seen once you get to kernel 4.2.2.x and beyond.
It is not broken. They were built statically into -desktop, now they are loadable modules again. Or the other way round. And since you have some config which tells dracut to include those modules in initrd, dracut complains because they are no longer available. This might be because you are using a new kernel with old dracut. Or because you changed the dracut config. Or whatever. So what. Does anything no longer work for you? If you are not able to cope with stuff like this, using non-default Kernels is probably not a very smart idea... -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
Отправлено с iPhone
4 окт. 2015 г., в 14:26, Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> написал(а):
If you are not able to cope with stuff like this, using non-default Kernels is probably not a very smart idea...
It has nothing to do with using non-default kernels; the same is observed using stock 13.2 kernels as well.-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-04 14:20, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
Отправлено с iPhone
4 окт. 2015 г., в 14:26, Stefan Seyfried <> написал(а):
If you are not able to cope with stuff like this, using non-default Kernels is probably not a very smart idea...
It has nothing to do with using non-default kernels; the same is observed using stock 13.2 kernels as well.--
I confirm that. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYRMWkACgkQja8UbcUWM1yuoQD8CtrJtLv/Niixa1A8ECrWrt1x tGJNTbermbHByrnKe4AA/2KxiV4rKJy9rK738EPoSKTpMO7OBXbffOQvmpD62z1n =Vso9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 04.10.2015 um 14:20 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov:
Отправлено с iPhone
4 окт. 2015 г., в 14:26, Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> написал(а):
If you are not able to cope with stuff like this, using non-default Kernels is probably not a very smart idea...
It has nothing to do with using non-default kernels; the same is observed using stock 13.2 kernels as well.
Well, then someone who cares should find out why dracut wants to include those modules and fix that. Or even better -- teach dracut to notice that Modules that are built into the kernel do not need to be included in the initrd :-) -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun 2015-10-04 16:32:05, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 04.10.2015 um 14:20 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov:
Отправлено с iPhone
4 окт. 2015 г., в 14:26, Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> написал(а):
If you are not able to cope with stuff like this, using non-default Kernels is probably not a very smart idea...
It has nothing to do with using non-default kernels; the same is observed using stock 13.2 kernels as well.
Well, then someone who cares should find out why dracut wants to include those modules and fix that. Or even better -- teach dracut to notice that Modules that are built into the kernel do not need to be included in the initrd :-)
Please, report this into bugzilla so it could get properly tracked and eventually fixed. Best Regards, Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
participants (9)
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Andrei Borzenkov -
Basil Chupin -
Carlos E. R. -
Marcus Meissner -
Mike Galbraith -
Olaf Hering -
Petr Mladek -
Stefan Seyfried -
Werner LEMBERG