Hi, I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE 3.0.3, and have a problem using XMMS. In practice the artsd sound server locks the access to the sound card so that XMMS finds the device busy. The obvious quick remedy would be not to run artsd at startup, but I would rather try to make XMMS pass through it, if possible. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance, Alberto
Alberto, I know that there exists a plugin for xmms that will allow you to route its output through artsd. Check the xmms homepage for the specified plugin. Cheers, Robert. On Friday 27 June 2003 13:46, Alberto Vecchiato wrote:
Hi, I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE 3.0.3, and have a problem using XMMS.
In practice the artsd sound server locks the access to the sound card so that XMMS finds the device busy.
The obvious quick remedy would be not to run artsd at startup, but I would rather try to make XMMS pass through it, if possible.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance,
Alberto
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Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 13:51 schrieb Robert Maier:
I know that there exists a plugin for xmms that will allow you to route its output through artsd. Check the xmms homepage for the specified plugin.
Hi Robert! I tried this one, but the quality, the delay, the responsiveness and the resistance against skipping is too bad in my eyes... Greets, Daniel
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:55:10 +0200 Daniel Eckl <daniel.eckl@gmx.de> wrote:
I tried this one, but the quality, the delay, the responsiveness and the resistance against skipping is too bad in my eyes...
Then set aRtd to auto-suspend and use your favourite output plugin in XMMS. Charles -- "Are [Linux users] lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software?" (By Matt Welsh)
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 13:46 schrieb Alberto Vecchiato:
Hi, I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE 3.0.3, and have a problem using XMMS.
In practice the artsd sound server locks the access to the sound card so that XMMS finds the device busy.
The obvious quick remedy would be not to run artsd at startup, but I would rather try to make XMMS pass through it, if possible.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance,
Alberto
Hi Alberto! You can try to get an xmms plugin for alsa. But that's a little bit buggy. So better use control center > Sound > Soundserver to use alsa as backend for arts, so oss will be free for xmms. Greets, Daniel
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 13:46 schrieb Alberto Vecchiato:
Hi, I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE 3.0.3, and have a problem using XMMS.
In practice the artsd sound server locks the access to the sound card so that XMMS finds the device busy.
there should be a package named xmms-kde install that, then configure xmms to use the artsd plugin instead of alsa/oss output. bye MH -- Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstößt gegen §1 UWG und 823 I BGB (Beschluß des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998 Az: 16 O 201/98). Jede kommerzielle Nutzung der übermittelten persönlichen Daten sowie deren Weitergabe an Dritte ist ausdrücklich untersagt! gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 13:58 schrieb Mathias Homann:
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 13:46 schrieb Alberto Vecchiato:
Hi, I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE 3.0.3, and have a problem using XMMS.
In practice the artsd sound server locks the access to the sound card so that XMMS finds the device busy.
there should be a package named xmms-kde
install that, then configure xmms to use the artsd plugin instead of alsa/oss output.
bye MH
Hi Mathias! xmms-kde is completely independent of the sound output of xmms. It's only kind of a "remote control" sitting in the kicker. But it's a nice add-on when using xmms on KDE. Indeed. Mind my mail about using xmms with arts output plugin.... Greets, Daniel
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 14:04 schrieb Daniel Eckl:
Mind my mail about using xmms with arts output plugin....
the xmms-arts plugin is either in xmms-kde or in xmms-plugins... bye, MH -- Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstößt gegen §1 UWG und 823 I BGB (Beschluß des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998 Az: 16 O 201/98). Jede kommerzielle Nutzung der übermittelten persönlichen Daten sowie deren Weitergabe an Dritte ist ausdrücklich untersagt! gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 13:58 schrieb Mathias Homann:
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 13:46 schrieb Alberto Vecchiato:
Hi, I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE 3.0.3, and have a problem using XMMS.
In practice the artsd sound server locks the access to the sound card so that XMMS finds the device busy.
there should be a package named xmms-kde
install that, then configure xmms to use the artsd plugin instead of alsa/oss output.
bye MH
Ups, sorry. I see, xmms-kde packaged by SuSE brings the artsd output plugin for xmms. Didn't know that. Sorry again. Daniel
Hi there Having similar problems in my opinion the multimedia system of linux needs some major corrections. It's not only xmms. It's also realplay etc. That means for me: Listening music on noatun or juk (arts). opening the taskmanager, kill arts, open realplay and listen to a livestream. more than only a question for usuability as I think. Stopping realplay, starting noatun (or arts in kcontrol) and be able to listen to juk again (because juk doesn't start arts itself). hrmpf. Well - my only hope is that I miss something, but it's not the kcontrol option whether to start arts by kdeinit or not. Regards Sebastian Maybe I haven't seen something. --- Alberto Vecchiato <vecchiato@to.astro.it> schrieb: > Hi, I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE 3.0.3, and have a
problem using XMMS.
In practice the artsd sound server locks the access to the sound card so that XMMS finds the device busy.
The obvious quick remedy would be not to run artsd at startup, but I would rather try to make XMMS pass through it, if possible.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance,
Alberto
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Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 14:06 schrieb Sebastian Wolff:
Hi there
Having similar problems in my opinion the multimedia system of linux needs some major corrections. It's not only xmms. It's also realplay etc. That means for me:
Listening music on noatun or juk (arts). opening the taskmanager, kill arts, open realplay and listen to a livestream. more than only a question for usuability as I think. Stopping realplay, starting noatun (or arts in kcontrol) and be able to listen to juk again (because juk doesn't start arts itself). hrmpf. Well - my only hope is that I miss something, but it's not the kcontrol option whether to start arts by kdeinit or not.
Regards Sebastian
Maybe I haven't seen something.
YOu are right. But the solution is so simple. All applications should use alsa as backend. If arts is using alsa, then all arts-aware apps are yousing alsa in the end. If realplay would be of better quality, it would be at least alsa-aware... But it only knows oss. But if your artsd uses alsa as backend, then oss _is availiable for realplay_. I use it this way every day! Believe me, it works. Only change artsd backend to alsa! Daniel
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:06:53 +0200 (CEST) Sebastian Wolff <bastisemail@yahoo.de> wrote:
Listening music on noatun or juk (arts). opening the taskmanager, kill arts, open realplay and listen to a livestream.
Set artswrapper to suid , then go to Kcontrol and set aRtsd to auto-suspend. Charles -- "World domination. Fast" (By Linus Torvalds)
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Alberto Vecchiato <vecchiato@to.astro.it> wrote:
The obvious quick remedy would be not to run artsd at startup, but I would rather try to make XMMS pass through it, if possible.
You need to use xmms-aRts as the output plugin. The source is here: http://stukach.com/hosted/m.i.a/xmmsarts/xmmsarts-0.4.tar.bz2 there is an rpm here: http://stukach.com/hosted/m.i.a/xmmsarts/xmmsarts-0.4-1.i586.rpm Charles
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Hi list! Maybe don't know a important thing. Can anybody explain, why all of you are using xmms through artsd? I tried this and it was horrible. You have delay with this, you have skips if system is on high usage and the sound quality ist poor in my eyes. I tried all ways named in the last mails. And there is only one way that keeps my audio fron skipping if the system is low on memory, and this is xmms oputput to alsa's oss interface. My system sometimes hangs about 5 seconds without being able to move my mouse, because of a Harddisk error. But sound is never skipping and if I press play, it plays at once, and if I press stop, it stops at once. The only thing to do to get this work is making oss unused by artsd. This can be easily done by configuring artsd to use alsa as backend in the control center. After that even stupid programs like realplay and flash plugin are heving sound, because they can connect to /dev/dsp. I don't have to run artsd with root priviledges, I don't need to auto-suspend arts (which makes arts sounds delay even more). Okay. If I missed something, I would really aprecciate any input about why it's better to use all apps through arts. Thanks, Daniel Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2003 15:22 schrieb Charles Philip Chan:
You need to use xmms-aRts as the output plugin. The source is here:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:34:50 +0200 Daniel Eckl <daniel.eckl@gmx.de> wrote:
Maybe don't know a important thing. Can anybody explain, why all of you are using xmms through artsd? I tried this and it was horrible.
I only say that it is posible, not that it sound good. However, I do find that aRtd have superior sound quality to xmms when using a native KDE player. I personally use Noatun with the Hayes playlist: http://www.freekde.org/neil/hayes/
You have delay with this, you have skips if system is on high usage and the sound quality ist poor in my eyes.
That is why you have to turn on realtime priority.
Okay. If I missed something, I would really aprecciate any input about why it's better to use all apps through arts.
I only use aRtd with KDE apps which I find have superior sound quality. I also use aRtd to resample to 48KHz for output because of the subpar implementation on my card- the SBLive!. This card actually converts everything to 48KHz internally for output. Charles -- "sic transit discus mundi" (From the System Administrator's Guide, by Lars Wirzenius)
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