Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2015, 12:40:51 schrieb Felix Miata:

The now discarded pager was simple and intuitive. Activities seem nothing like simple or intuitive. Why do you think the pager is "discarded"? It is still there, and installed by default.

And I don't understand, how activities are more or less "simple or intuitive" than virtual desktops. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015, 16:01:53 schrieb yahoo-pier_andreit:

yes, but for activities we haven't a pager like the simple and intuitive one for virtual desktops :-) :-) :-)

I have seen talks about adding one. So this might happen in the future. Although personally I don't see much difference between using the pager or the activity switcher. Ok, the latter is on click more to open the switcher, but well... Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Martin Schlander [07-29-15 13:42]:

Onsdag den 29. juli 2015 12:40:51 skrev Felix Miata:

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How are those supposed to work for people what require the average app to be fullscreen or nearly so to be usable, who see little to no desktop showing on each virtual desktop. The now discarded pager was simple and intuitive. Activities seem nothing like simple or intuitive.

What makes you think the pager is discarded? The pager and virtual desktops are still there, only one cosmetic feature is not.

But I was also wondering why different wallpapers are so important to people, when you usually never look at desktop anyway.

I utilize six desktops via pager and keep different apps open or resident on each. And switching between can be confusing with the same background on each. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Martin Schlander composed on 2015-07-29 19:39 (UTC+0200):

Felix Miata composed:

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How are those supposed to work for people what require the average app to be fullscreen or nearly so to be usable, who see little to no desktop showing on each virtual desktop. The now discarded pager was simple and intuitive. Activities seem nothing like simple or intuitive.

What makes you think the pager is discarded?

Its default count is one, presumably because upstream thinks people should be using activities instead of virtual desktops.

The pager and virtual desktops are still there, only one cosmetic feature is not.

But I was also wondering why different wallpapers are so important to people, when you usually never look at desktop anyway.

Not "never". When you close the app/all apps on one virtual desktop (esp. when the only one crashes), you loose the most obvious identification of which virtual desktop aka activity is selected, unless the wallpaper is unique per virtual desktop. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-08-01 12:10 (UTC+0200):

Felix Miata composed:

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What makes you think the pager is discarded?

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Its default count is one, presumably because upstream thinks people should be using activities instead of virtual desktops.

openSUSE's default count is *two*.

Unless you install the upstream branding, i.e. plasma5-workspace-branding- upstream instead of plasma5-workspace-branding-openSUSE.

When I'm doing initial openSUSE installs, as done with their equivalents in KDE4, I taboo plasma5-desktop-branding-openSUSE and plasma5-workspace-branding-openSUSE so that only upstream KDE branding would routinely be experienced. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/29/2015 07:39 PM, Martin Schlander wrote:

Onsdag den 29. juli 2015 12:40:51 skrev Felix Miata:

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How are those supposed to work for people what require the average app to be fullscreen or nearly so to be usable, who see little to no desktop showing on each virtual desktop. The now discarded pager was simple and intuitive. Activities seem nothing like simple or intuitive.

What makes you think the pager is discarded? The pager and virtual desktops are still there, only one cosmetic feature is not.

But I was also wondering why different wallpapers are so important to people, when you usually never look at desktop anyway.

...leaving apart the beauty of different desktops rolling with cube effect :-) :-) :-) I look at desktop, I set up many application to open in a specific desktop, and them do not occupy all the desktop, so the different desktop aid to recognize where you are also before the application is shown :-) :-) and also, if virtualdesktop pager, or better, the new activity pager that will come after this email I hope :-) :-), that should be the same as virtualdesktop pager, plus shows the the different activity wallpapers in its windowettes :-) :-) :-) manythanks, ciao, pier :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Patrick Shanahan [07-29-15 13:34]:

* Luca Beltrame [07-29-15 10:18]:

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In data Wednesday 29 July 2015 10:13:27, Patrick Shanahan ha scritto:

Hello,

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How do I create an activity?

Click on the desktop toolbox, select "Activities", then click on "Create Activity" from the controller that opens up.

The same action can be accessed from a right-click on the desktop. Ensure you also have "kactivitymanagerd[5]" running (it should by default).

I guess this is the problem. I have:

USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND paka 5081 0.0 0.1 696048 61940 ? Sl Jul28 0:02 /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd start-daemon

but when I click on "Activities", nothing happens, nothing appears ??

I still have no method to create an activity. How do I create an activity? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Rick Chung composed on 2015-07-29 10:39 (UTC-0500):

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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How do I create an activity?

Super Key (Meta) + Q Key -> Go To Right Upper corner and Click on Create Activity.

Switching "activities" (virtual desktops) didn't require use of keyboard previously. Exactly which key is the "Super Key (Meta)" on my high quality, high usability (single hand access to all shifted function keys) keyboard? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Omnikey102p3248.jp... -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Rick Chung [07-30-15 19:13]:

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:49:04 PM Felix Miata wrote:

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Switching "activities" (virtual desktops) didn't require use of keyboard previously.

It just a convenient option for some people not a requirement. On Plasma5 You could make it work just go to left upper corner (by default)-quite similar on KDE 4 Workspaces to the Cashew on the right upper corner - and create an Activity.

There is no option on Tumbleweed on the "Desktop" Icon at the top of screen to "create an activity". How do you create an activity?

To switch Activities there is a Widget called Activities Manager (all created Activities are shown there, started and stopped) you could conveniently add to your desktop Panel. It use to look like 3 horizontal points on Desktop Panel.

I also have this "wodget" but it does nothing. Clicking on it (left) does no action. And right-clicking only provides settings which accomplish nothing toward creating an activity. ??? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Rick Chung [07-30-15 20:19]:

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 07:50:04 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rick Chung [07-30-15 19:13]:

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On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:49:04 PM Felix Miata wrote:

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Switching "activities" (virtual desktops) didn't require use of keyboard previously.

It just a convenient option for some people not a requirement. On Plasma5 You could make it work just go to left upper corner (by default)-quite similar on KDE 4 Workspaces to the Cashew on the right upper corner - and create an Activity.

There is no option on Tumbleweed on the "Desktop" Icon at the top of screen to "create an activity". How do you create an activity?

I am not using Tumbleweed. I used it on openSUSE Leap 42.1.

You should try using Keys Shortcut: Meta Key + Q Key to launch Activity and perhaps it let you create it from there.

Which is the "Meta Key" on my keyboard? I have an AnyKey Gateway 2000, similar to Felix's. Is the "Meta Key" Escape or right-ALT?

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To switch Activities there is a Widget called Activities Manager (all created Activities are shown there, started and stopped) you could conveniently add to your desktop Panel. It use to look like 3 horizontal points on Desktop Panel.

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I also have this "wodget" but it does nothing. Clicking on it (left) does no action. And right-clicking only provides settings which accomplish nothing toward creating an activity.

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By using Meta Key + Tab Key (alternative: Meta Key + Shift Key + Tab Key )you could switch between Activities.

Alt-Shift-Tab lets me switch between applications, but I don't believe those are activities in the sense discussed here :(

Anyway, I think you should file a Bug Report.

As what against what? I have five boxes that all work this way and have no activities, nor a method to create activities. My laptop has windoz keys, are they meta keys? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Rick Chung [07-30-15 22:34]:

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 08:42:53 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rick Chung [07-30-15 20:19]:

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On Thursday, July 30, 2015 07:50:04 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rick Chung [07-30-15 19:13]:

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On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:49:04 PM Felix Miata wrote: ....

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I am not using Tumbleweed. I used it on openSUSE Leap 42.1.

You should try using Keys Shortcut: Meta Key + Q Key to launch Activity and perhaps it let you create it from there.

Which is the "Meta Key" on my keyboard? I have an AnyKey Gateway 2000, similar to Felix's. Is the "Meta Key" Escape or right-ALT?

Meta Key or Super Key or Hyper Key or Windows Key is a modifier key o certain keyboards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_key

Fortunately, KDE has modifiable Global Keyboard Shortcut you could give it a try.

Shortcut and Gestures-> Go to the Global Keyboard Shortcut and Gestures-> Then on the right panel KDE Component drop down window you will find KDE Activity Manager (if you did create it) and could assign an unique Preferred Key Combination (e.g. Ctrl+Shift+Alt+Q Beware some combinations are already assigned).

Assigned ctri+shift+alt+Q, restarted deskktop/kde. Nothing happens with this key combination.

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To switch Activities there is a Widget called Activities Manager (all created Activities are shown there, started and stopped) you could conveniently add to your desktop Panel. It use to look like 3 horizontal points on Desktop Panel.

I also have this "wodget" but it does nothing. Clicking on it (left) does no action. And right-clicking only provides settings which accomplish nothing toward creating an activity.

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By using Meta Key + Tab Key (alternative: Meta Key + Shift Key + Tab Key )you could switch between Activities.

Alt-Shift-Tab lets me switch between applications, but I don't believe those are activities in the sense discussed here :(

Beware some combinations are already system or apps assigned.

Alt+Shift+Tab may be set up to Cover Switch too if activated.

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Anyway, I think you should file a Bug Report.

As what against what?

https://bugs.kde.org/

or https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/index.cgi under Tumbleweed because I assume it behaves that way on Tumbleweed not openSUSE Leap 42.1

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I have five boxes that all work this way and have no activities, nor a method to create activities.

My laptop has windoz keys, are they meta keys?

Probably. It usually is between Alt and Ctrl or Fn and Alt. Sometimes if Windows operating system was pre-installed it has Windows Flag on it. I usually put a small Geeko Sticker on top ;-)

Then the "meta key"/windoz key + Q still does not provide the activities manager on my laptops, and I changed keyboards on my desktop and that key combination has no effect there, either. Tomorrow I will file bugs in both places kde/openSUSE. Very odd that I have five systems that do not have "activities". -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Samstag, 1. August 2015, 12:04:27 schrieb Wolfgang Bauer:

For KDE4, you need to have "kactivities" installed.

Sorry, the package is called "kactivities4". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Samstag, 1. August 2015, 07:35:21 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

* Wolfgang Bauer [08-01-15 06:12]:

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Am Samstag, 1. August 2015, 12:04:27 schrieb Wolfgang Bauer:

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For KDE4, you need to have "kactivities" installed.

Sorry, the package is called "kactivities4".

07:32 Crash: ~ # rpm -qa |grep -i activities kactivities5-5.12.0-1.1.x86_64 libkactivities6-4.13.3-6.2.x86_64 libKF5Activities5-5.12.0-1.1.x86_64

"For KDE4"! I was talking about your 13.1 systems. There is no kactivities4 in Tumbleweed, KDE4 is not supported any more. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Samstag, 1. August 2015, 08:13:51 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

My confusion comes from the remaining kde4 apps on my Tw/plasma5 boxes.

The applications do not matter for creating *desktop* activities. Anyway, KDE4 applications will just use kactivities5 if installed, it provides KDE4 compatibility. KF5 applications, including Plasma the desktop itself and kwin, will crash with kactivities4 though, that's why it got removed from Tumbleweed. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org