I asked this question on another forum but didn't get a satisfying reply so I feel I should ask the wise (*no* sarcasm intended) people here: What's the difference between Kate and KWrite? Someone said Kate = KEdit + KWrite. If Kate then supersedes KWrite, why did my default install come with both Kate and KWrite? I first thought that Kate was like Notepad and KWrite was like Wordpad on Windows. Apparently that's not the case. (Right?) If Kate can handle only pure text, is there anything below KOffice Writer (or whatever it's called) and OOo Writer that handles rich text, like Windows' Wordpad which is "greater than" Kate but "lesser than" M$ Word? Thanks, all. -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
On Saturday 13 August 2005 12:35 pm, Shriramana Sharma wrote: [snip]
If Kate can handle only pure text, is there anything below KOffice Writer (or whatever it's called) and OOo Writer that handles rich text, like Windows' Wordpad which is "greater than" Kate but "lesser than" M$ Word?
It depends on what you want to do, as to the tool(s) you use. ;) If you want to write a text, that is an unformatted text file (extension *.txt) then you can use either one, including kedit. Or you can go into konsole and use pico, or vi (yuck) or a number of other konsole editors. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
On Saturday 13 August 2005 1:35 pm, Paul Foerster wrote:
Hi Fred,
vi (yuck)
... vi rulz, no kiddin'! :-)
That's one of the GREAT things about Linux......you have a choice as to what tool you'll use! Vi is "poison" to some, and manna to others. ;) Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
Hi Fred,
That's one of the GREAT things about Linux......you have a choice as to what tool you'll use! Vi is "poison" to some, and manna to others. ;)
... I absolutely agree. vi (sorry) sucks for non command line folks and newbies. Learning vi is actually so hard that O'Reilly felt it was even worth publishing a fat book about it. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vi6/reviews.html For me it has many advantages, tho. At work, beside a crappy winclown PC that often crashes (well, not really surprising, eh? ;-))) there's a Linux PC to do the server based work. I work as an Oracle DBA and there are loads of servers out there, mostly HP and Sun machines but the number of Linux machines is increasing. Given these machines and the fact that there's no GUI there to log into vi has one common advantage: vi is always there, no matter what Unix-type machine you have. It's small, fast, powerful and can edit huge files. It's lets one recover edited files even when crashed due to network problems or whatever. Learning vi is a pain in the ass, yes. But having gone thru this, I must say it's pretty rewarding. I'm not a vi expert but can use it pretty well by now. Combining vi with the copy/paste functionality of a shell window does most GUI tricks most people need anyway. Still, I use the Learning vi book as a reference now and then. vi is definitely _not_ the editor of choice for GUI folks, tho. But then, the editor of choice is another philosophical thing... -- cul8er Paul paul.foerster@gmx.net
On Saturday 13 August 2005 2:23 pm, Paul Foerster wrote:
Hi Fred,
That's one of the GREAT things about Linux......you have a choice as to what tool you'll use! Vi is "poison" to some, and manna to others. ;)
... I absolutely agree. vi (sorry) sucks for non command line folks and newbies. Learning vi is actually so hard that O'Reilly felt it was even worth publishing a fat book about it.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vi6/reviews.html
For me it has many advantages, tho. At work, beside a crappy winclown PC that often crashes (well, not really surprising, eh? ;-))) there's a Linux PC to do the server based work. I work as an Oracle DBA and there are loads of servers out there, mostly HP and Sun machines but the number of Linux machines is increasing. Given these machines and the fact that there's no GUI there to log into vi has one common advantage: vi is always there, no matter what Unix-type machine you have. It's small, fast, powerful and can edit huge files. It's lets one recover edited files even when crashed due to network problems or whatever.
Yes......it does have some advantages. I've never need anything more than pico., so that's what I use. Ted is nice as well.
Learning vi is a pain in the ass, yes. But having gone thru this, I must say it's pretty rewarding. I'm not a vi expert but can use it pretty well by now. Combining vi with the copy/paste functionality of a shell window does most GUI tricks most people need anyway. Still, I use the Learning vi book as a reference now and then.
I use cut/paste in a konsole with pico.
vi is definitely _not_ the editor of choice for GUI folks, tho. But then, the editor of choice is another philosophical thing...
Yes.........some could argue "till the cows come home" about it. ;) Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
Hi Shriramana,
If Kate can handle only pure text, is there anything below KOffice Writer (or whatever it's called) and OOo Writer that handles rich text, like Windows' Wordpad which is "greater than" Kate but "lesser than" M$ Word?
... I don't know KOffice. I know OpenOffice (including its Mac port NeoOffice) and of course M$ Office. I never use rich text. I hate that thing. You can't possibly do decent layout with it and you also don't have the advantages of plain text. It's some unfinished mixture in between, something like we-defined-a-file-format-but-never-really- finished-it. I use either plain text of some office's "native" format, ie. .doc, .xls,... For pure text editing, I use vi. Ok, the latter may not exactly be everyone's taste. ;-) -- cul8er Paul paul.foerster@gmail.com
On Saturday 13 August 2005 1:41 pm, Paul Foerster wrote:
Hi Shriramana,
If Kate can handle only pure text, is there anything below KOffice Writer (or whatever it's called) and OOo Writer that handles rich text, like Windows' Wordpad which is "greater than" Kate but "lesser than" M$ Word?
... I don't know KOffice. I know OpenOffice (including its Mac port NeoOffice) and of course M$ Office. I never use rich text. I hate that thing. You can't possibly do decent layout with it and you also don't have the advantages of plain text. It's some unfinished mixture in between, something like we-defined-a-file-format-but-never-really- finished-it. I use either plain text of some office's "native" format, ie. .doc, .xls,... For pure text editing, I use vi. Ok, the latter may not exactly be everyone's taste. ;-)
Ya got that right! ;) KOffice is getting better all the time, however, where I have clients who need a database as well and the merging of data into a form created via an office suite, then the only choice is OpenOffice 2.0. The beta IS solid enough for production use, by the way......at least it is on 9.3. I do have KOffice in heavy use with some clients who know how to create their own templates and don't need data merging. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
On Saturday 13 August 2005 11:35 am, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
I asked this question on another forum but didn't get a satisfying reply so I feel I should ask the wise (*no* sarcasm intended) people here:
What's the difference between Kate and KWrite? Someone said Kate = KEdit + KWrite. If Kate then supersedes KWrite, why did my default install come with both Kate and KWrite?
I first thought that Kate was like Notepad and KWrite was like Wordpad on Windows. Apparently that's not the case. (Right?)
If Kate can handle only pure text, is there anything below KOffice Writer (or whatever it's called) and OOo Writer that handles rich text, like Windows' Wordpad which is "greater than" Kate but "lesser than" M$ Word?
Thanks, all.
--
Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
They both start with 'K' and end in 'e'!!!! But seriously... Kwrite is lighter and Kate is more feature rich. Kate allows for tabbed file listings allowing more than one file/doc/text open in the same window versus Kwrite opening each file in a window. Check ALL the options for each program. From my experience, Kwrite is quicker for one-off file editing while Kate is better for me when I'm looking at several versions of config files for troubleshooting, customizing, etc. neither is a lightweight text editor. vi, pico, joe, nano are more lightweight. Stan
Howdy, On Saturday 13 August 2005 10:49, Stan Glasoe wrote:
... Check ALL the options for each program.
Since there seems to be a recent influx of newbies, I'll give one of my standard rants: - When you're approaching new software, explore all the menus and all the options! Many questions are answered and much erroneous belief in an application's inability to do X is dispelled by a thorough exploration of the application itself. And, of course, reading the manual can be enlightening and edifying and allows you to look really smart when someone asks about a particular feature or capability.
Stan
Randall Schulz
On Saturday 13 August 2005 11:35 am, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
I asked this question on another forum but didn't get a satisfying reply so I feel I should ask the wise (*no* sarcasm intended) people here:
What's the difference between Kate and KWrite? Someone said Kate = KEdit + KWrite. If Kate then supersedes KWrite, why did my default install come with both Kate and KWrite?
I first thought that Kate was like Notepad and KWrite was like Wordpad on Windows. Apparently that's not the case. (Right?)
If Kate can handle only pure text, is there anything below KOffice Writer (or whatever it's called) and OOo Writer that handles rich text, like Windows' Wordpad which is "greater than" Kate but "lesser than" M$ Word?
Thanks, all.
--
Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
And to answer your real questions about *.rtf ditors: ted is the Linux rich Text EDitor... Stan
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