HI all, I upgraded my SuSE 9.1 box to KDE 3.3 via yast by adding ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/yast-source to my list of installation sources and updating all KDE packages. I have one problem now...openoffice won't start. I get the following: daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~> anyone seen this or know what it's about? thanks for the help! daveor
Dave O'Reilly wrote:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~> anyone seen this or know what it's about?
I have the same here (9.1 Prof. newest KDE) But when i launch OOo directly from "/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter &", it works. Raphael
On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:05, Raphael Posmyk wrote:
Dave O'Reilly wrote:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~> anyone seen this or know what it's about?
I have the same here (9.1 Prof. newest KDE)
But when i launch OOo directly from "/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter &", it works.
Raphael
I have the same problem and, yes, Raphael that does work. Thanks. At least it keeps me going until someone, somewhere fixes it. Eddie
On Thursday 26 August 2004 10:27, eddie wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:05, Raphael Posmyk wrote:
Dave O'Reilly wrote:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~> anyone seen this or know what it's about?
I have the same here (9.1 Prof. newest KDE)
But when i launch OOo directly from "/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter &", it works.
Raphael
I have the same problem and, yes, Raphael that does work. Thanks. At least it keeps me going until someone, somewhere fixes it.
Eddie
Hi all, I have same problem, but after downgrade kdelibs3.3.0-10 to kdelibs3.3.0-7 Open Office works fine. Best regards, Mindaugas Lithuania
On Thursday 26 August 2004 05:35, Mindaugas wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 10:27, eddie wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:05, Raphael Posmyk wrote:
Dave O'Reilly wrote:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~> anyone seen this or know what it's about?
I have the same here (9.1 Prof. newest KDE)
But when i launch OOo directly from "/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter &", it works.
Raphael
I have the same problem and, yes, Raphael that does work. Thanks. At least it keeps me going until someone, somewhere fixes it.
Eddie
Hi all,
I have same problem, but after downgrade kdelibs3.3.0-10 to kdelibs3.3.0-7 Open Office works fine.
Best regards,
Mindaugas Lithuania
Has the kdelibs downgrade effected any other apps that you know of? I too am having the same OpenOffice problem. I use OOo a lot. Chris/CMS
Another quick question.... if SuSE find that this is a bug in their release of KDE3.3 and subsequently fix it and do another release into the ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/...../supplent/KDE/yast-source directory. Will YAST online update realise that this source has changed and notify me that there's a new version available, or will I have to check manually and perform a manual update? thanks, daveor On Friday 27 August 2004 03:46, cms wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 05:35, Mindaugas wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 10:27, eddie wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:05, Raphael Posmyk wrote:
Dave O'Reilly wrote:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~> anyone seen this or know what it's about?
I have the same here (9.1 Prof. newest KDE)
But when i launch OOo directly from "/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter &", it works.
Raphael
I have the same problem and, yes, Raphael that does work. Thanks. At least it keeps me going until someone, somewhere fixes it.
Eddie
Hi all,
I have same problem, but after downgrade kdelibs3.3.0-10 to kdelibs3.3.0-7 Open Office works fine.
Best regards,
Mindaugas Lithuania
Has the kdelibs downgrade effected any other apps that you know of? I too am having the same OpenOffice problem. I use OOo a lot.
Chris/CMS
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:23, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Another quick question....
if SuSE find that this is a bug in their release of KDE3.3 and subsequently fix it and do another release into the ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/...../supplent/KDE/yast-source directory. Will YAST online update realise that this source has changed and notify me that there's a new version available, or will I have to check manually and perform a manual update?
online update won't look at your supplementary sources Use something saner, like red carpet or apt instead of yast to update your kde. It's just much easier
Anders, On Thursday 26 August 2004 14:25, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:23, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Another quick question....
if SuSE find that this is a bug in their release of KDE3.3 and subsequently fix it and do another release into the ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/...../supplent/KDE/yast-source directory. Will YAST online update realise that this source has changed and notify me that there's a new version available, or will I have to check manually and perform a manual update?
online update won't look at your supplementary sources
He asked about YaST Install and Remove, not YOU.
Use something saner, like red carpet or apt instead of yast to update your kde. It's just much easier.
You keep suggesting the great superiority of red carpet or apt, but you never say why. I've seen some indications of problems from people who've gone the apt route. In general, I need some pretty compelling reasons to abandon the software configuration management supplied by the vendor of the distribution I'm using. And I have concerns about how well such alternatives would integrate with other system software. After all, installation support and configuration management are a good bit of the value added by a commercial distribution. If I was a hardcore do-it-yourselfer (as regards my Linux installation, specifically), then I'd build everything myself and ignore the distributions, but that's not how I want to spend my time... Randall Schulz
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:50, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Anders,
On Thursday 26 August 2004 14:25, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:23, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Another quick question....
if SuSE find that this is a bug in their release of KDE3.3 and subsequently fix it and do another release into the ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/...../supplent/KDE/yast-source directory. Will YAST online update realise that this source has changed and notify me that there's a new version available, or will I have to check manually and perform a manual update?
online update won't look at your supplementary sources
He asked about YaST Install and Remove, not YOU.
I'm sorry, I guess I was fooled by his use of the words "will YAST online update realise....."
Use something saner, like red carpet or apt instead of yast to update your kde. It's just much easier.
You keep suggesting the great superiority of red carpet or apt, but you never say why. I've seen some indications of problems from people who've gone the apt route. In general, I need some pretty compelling reasons to abandon the software configuration management supplied by the vendor of the distribution I'm using. And I have concerns about how well such alternatives would integrate with other system software. After all, installation support and configuration management are a good bit of the value added by a commercial distribution.
If I was a hardcore do-it-yourselfer (as regards my Linux installation, specifically), then I'd build everything myself and ignore the distributions, but that's not how I want to spend my time...
Tell you what: install it on a hobby machine and give it a spin, then get back to me. Red Carpet is three rpms, no configuration needed. Just give it a try
On Thursday August 26 2004 5:57 pm, Anders Johansson wrote: [snip]
Tell you what: install it on a hobby machine and give it a spin, then get back to me. Red Carpet is three rpms, no configuration needed. Just give it a try.
For 9.1 where? Thanks, Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
On Friday 27 August 2004 00:01, Fred Miller wrote:
On Thursday August 26 2004 5:57 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
[snip]
Tell you what: install it on a hobby machine and give it a spin, then get back to me. Red Carpet is three rpms, no configuration needed. Just give it a try.
For 9.1 where?
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/redcarpet2/suse-91-i586 You want rcd, rug and red-carpet. rcd is the daemon that does all the work, rug is a command line client (always good to have around) and red-carpet is a gui client. when they're installed, do /etc/init.d/rcd start, then rug service-add http://open-carpet.org/services/gwdg Then "kdesu red-carpet" will launch the client, in the "channels" you can select which channels you want to subscribe to, I suggest KDE, packman and suse-91-i586
On Thursday August 26 2004 6:11 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 27 August 2004 00:01, Fred Miller wrote:
On Thursday August 26 2004 5:57 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
[snip]
Tell you what: install it on a hobby machine and give it a spin, then get back to me. Red Carpet is three rpms, no configuration needed. Just give it a try.
For 9.1 where?
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/redcarpet2/suse-91-i586
You want rcd, rug and red-carpet. rcd is the daemon that does all the work, rug is a command line client (always good to have around) and red-carpet is a gui client.
when they're installed, do /etc/init.d/rcd start, then
rug service-add http://open-carpet.org/services/gwdg
Then "kdesu red-carpet" will launch the client, in the "channels" you can select which channels you want to subscribe to, I suggest KDE, packman and suse-91-i586
THANKS, Anders!! All went well except running kdesu....failed. I logged onto KDE as root, and setup myself as user to use red-carpet. Now, it comes up with a LOT of KDE files for update........are these indeed updates of what I have installed, or just all of the KDE files that are available? I didn't dare tell it to install anything until I'm sure of what I'm doing with it. Thanks again! Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
On Friday 27 August 2004 01:16, Fred Miller wrote:
THANKS, Anders!! All went well except running kdesu....failed. I logged onto KDE as root, and setup myself as user to use red-carpet. Now, it comes up with a LOT of KDE files for update........are these indeed updates of what I have installed, or just all of the KDE files that are available? I didn't dare tell it to install anything until I'm sure of what I'm doing with it.
On the "updates" tab you see packages you have installed where there are updates available On the "available" tab you see packages you don't have installed, but which are available for installation on the "installed" tab you see packages you have installed on the "history" tab you see what you have done in the past, and when you did it
On Thursday August 26 2004 7:23 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 27 August 2004 01:16, Fred Miller wrote:
THANKS, Anders!! All went well except running kdesu....failed. I logged onto KDE as root, and setup myself as user to use red-carpet. Now, it comes up with a LOT of KDE files for update........are these indeed updates of what I have installed, or just all of the KDE files that are available? I didn't dare tell it to install anything until I'm sure of what I'm doing with it.
On the "updates" tab you see packages you have installed where there are updates available
On the "available" tab you see packages you don't have installed, but which are available for installation
on the "installed" tab you see packages you have installed
on the "history" tab you see what you have done in the past, and when you did it
Thanks! I've run it twice tonight..........SUSE will make a big mistake if they don't have Red-Carpet as THE update tool for the next release. It's VERY well polished.......kudos to those who have worked on it!!! And, thanks for bringing it to our attention......again, Anders! Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
On Thursday 26 August 2004 12:23, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 27 August 2004 01:16, Fred Miller wrote:
THANKS, Anders!! All went well except running kdesu....failed. I logged onto KDE as root, and setup myself as user to use red-carpet. Now, it comes up with a LOT of KDE files for update........are these indeed updates of what I have installed, or just all of the KDE files that are available? I didn't dare tell it to install anything until I'm sure of what I'm doing with it.
On the "updates" tab you see packages you have installed where there are updates available
On the "available" tab you see packages you don't have installed, but which are available for installation
on the "installed" tab you see packages you have installed
on the "history" tab you see what you have done in the past, and when you did it
Thank you very much for all this information. ( I never used this program before). I upgraded/installed several packages which went well, until I wanted to upgrade Amarok. That didn't work because of dependency problems with Kdepim3 I tried to uninstall Kdepim3 ( because I never use it) but that wasn't possible. So not all dependency problems are taking care of , or did I make a mistake somewhere? -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
On Friday 27 August 2004 06:43, Bill Wisse wrote:
I upgraded/installed several packages which went well, until I wanted to upgrade Amarok. That didn't work because of dependency problems with Kdepim3 I tried to uninstall Kdepim3 ( because I never use it) but that wasn't possible. So not all dependency problems are taking care of , or did I make a mistake somewhere?
When rpms collide because they both provide some file or other, it has a problem. For example, if you want to use it (or apt) to upgrade from kde 3.2.3 to 3.3, you need to first uninstall kvirc and konversation. But this is primarily an rpm problem, no tool can (safely) guard you against broken rpms Having said that, I have amarok 1.0.2-5 and kdepim3-3.3.0-9 installed, and I used red carpet to upgrade. if you run "rug install amarok" as root on a command line, could you post the errors you get?
On Thursday 26 August 2004 17:45, Anders Johansson wrote:
if you run "rug install amarok" as root on a command line, could you post the errors you get?
This are the messages: 10 packages will be installed. This is at least a 446.47k download. Do you want to continue? [y/N] y Verifying qt3-devel Verifying qt3 Verifying mad-devel Verifying kdelibs3-doc Verifying kdelibs3-devel Verifying kdelibs3 Verifying glib2-devel Verifying arts-devel Verifying arts Verifying amarok Preparing Transaction Removing Transaction failed: Unable to complete RPM transaction: file /opt/kde3/share/config/khotnewstuffrc from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/bin/ghns from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/bin/khotnewstuff from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/lib/libknewstuff.la from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/lib/libknewstuff.so.1.0.0 from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 linux:/home/billy # -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
On Friday 27 August 2004 07:54, Bill Wisse wrote:
Transaction failed: Unable to complete RPM transaction: file /opt/kde3/share/config/khotnewstuffrc from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/bin/ghns from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/bin/khotnewstuff from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/lib/libknewstuff.la from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 file /opt/kde3/lib/libknewstuff.so.1.0.0 from install of kdelibs3-3.3.0-10 conflicts with file from package kdepim3-organizer-3.2.1-35 linux:/home/billy #
Ah, right, this is a common problem arising from the fact that either the KDE project or Adrian keeps moving files around between the packages. amarok pulls with it kdelibs3 as a dependency, but they moved some files into kdelibs3 that used to be in kdepim3, thus the collision. You need to upgrade kdepim3 before - or at the same time as - amarok. rug install amarok kdepim3
On Thursday 26 August 2004 18:57, Anders Johansson wrote:
Ah, right, this is a common problem arising from the fact that either the KDE project or Adrian keeps moving files around between the packages. amarok pulls with it kdelibs3 as a dependency, but they moved some files into kdelibs3 that used to be in kdepim3, thus the collision.
You need to upgrade kdepim3 before - or at the same time as - amarok.
rug install amarok kdepim3
Thanks Anders. I tried that and I get the following messages: 2 packages will be installed and 1 packages will be removed. This is at least a 446.47k download. Do you want to continue? [y/N] y Download complete Verifying qt3-devel Verifying qt3 Verifying mad-devel Verifying kdepim3-organizer Verifying kdelibs3-doc Verifying kdelibs3-devel Verifying kdelibs3 Verifying glib2-devel Verifying arts-devel Verifying arts Verifying kdepim3 Verifying amarok Preparing Transaction Removing Transaction failed: Unable to complete RPM transaction: file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.la from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.so from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/libkontact_newstickerplugin.la from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/libkontact_newstickerplugin.so from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/share/services/kcmkontactknt.desktop from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/share/services/kontact/newstickerplugin.desktop from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 linux:/home/billy # -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
On Friday 27 August 2004 08:26, Bill Wisse wrote:
Transaction failed: Unable to complete RPM transaction: file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.la from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.so from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/libkontact_newstickerplugin.la from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/libkontact_newstickerplugin.so from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/share/services/kcmkontactknt.desktop from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 file /opt/kde3/share/services/kontact/newstickerplugin.desktop from install of kdepim3-3.3.0-9 conflicts with file from package kdeaddons3-kontact-3.2.1-44 linux:/home/billy #
Same problem another package that has had files moved into other packages rug install amarok kdelibs3 kdepim3 kdeaddons3 Wouldn't it be simpler to update all of kde? At this rate you'll soon be there :)
On Thursday 26 August 2004 19:30, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 27 August 2004 08:26, Bill Wisse wrote:
Transaction failed: Unable to complete RPM transaction:
Wouldn't it be simpler to update all of kde? At this rate you'll soon be there :)
I'll try that tomorrow. I hope it works because I had some bad experiences with upgrading KDE in the past. Thanks very much for all your advise. Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
I had a little play with red carpet too. It downloaded and installed a few updates (including a new version of openoffice), but didn't fix the openoffice starting problem, unfortunately. Looks interesting though. I might use it for a while on my work desktop (my "hobby machine") and transfer it to my home computers (which are, ironically enough, my "production machines") :-) If you've read any dilbert, I'm sure you'll have heard of employer financing :-) daveor On Friday 27 August 2004 11:16, Fred Miller wrote:
On Thursday August 26 2004 6:11 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 27 August 2004 00:01, Fred Miller wrote:
On Thursday August 26 2004 5:57 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
[snip]
Tell you what: install it on a hobby machine and give it a spin, then get back to me. Red Carpet is three rpms, no configuration needed. Just give it a try.
For 9.1 where?
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/redcarpet2/suse-91-i586
You want rcd, rug and red-carpet. rcd is the daemon that does all the work, rug is a command line client (always good to have around) and red-carpet is a gui client.
when they're installed, do /etc/init.d/rcd start, then
rug service-add http://open-carpet.org/services/gwdg
Then "kdesu red-carpet" will launch the client, in the "channels" you can select which channels you want to subscribe to, I suggest KDE, packman and suse-91-i586
THANKS, Anders!! All went well except running kdesu....failed. I logged onto KDE as root, and setup myself as user to use red-carpet. Now, it comes up with a LOT of KDE files for update........are these indeed updates of what I have installed, or just all of the KDE files that are available? I didn't dare tell it to install anything until I'm sure of what I'm doing with it.
Thanks again!
Fred
-- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
--- Dave O'Reilly <dave.oreilly@metservice.com> wrote:
I had a little play with red carpet too. It downloaded and installed a few updates (including a new version of openoffice), but didn't fix the openoffice starting problem, unfortunately.
Looks interesting though. I might use it for a while on my work desktop (my "hobby machine") and transfer it to my home computers (which are, ironically enough, my "production machines") :-)
Never tried red carpet... I just installed it yesterday but dunno how to configure it. When I launch red-carpet I get a window where I should specify a server but I don't have any clue of what to use... suggestion welcome :) Anyhow, I'm currently using apt on SuSE 9.0 and I'm really happy about it: when I do apt install <package name> it gets all the required additional packages that are needed, it highlight conflicts, suggests upgrade or removal, perform the installations, etc. and in addition with Synaptic I have a nice user GUI do do the same things. What are the real advantages of red-carpet (or rug) versus apt? regards, Timur _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush
On Friday August 27 2004 3:38 am, Timur wrote: [snip]
Never tried red carpet... I just installed it yesterday but dunno how to configure it. When I launch red-carpet I get a window where I should specify a server but I don't have any clue of what to use... suggestion welcome :)
Anyhow, I'm currently using apt on SuSE 9.0 and I'm really happy about it: when I do apt install <package name> it gets all the required additional packages that are needed, it highlight conflicts, suggests upgrade or removal, perform the installations, etc. and in addition with Synaptic I have a nice user GUI do do the same things.
What are the real advantages of red-carpet (or rug) versus apt?
Awhile ago, I tried APT and TOTALLY "bombed" by system! Now, it might have just been an odd-ball situation, I don't know. However, Red-Carpet IS a much more "polished" application with more command line options, I believe, if you want to use them. I've NOT had any problems yet. It's also a LOT more user friendly than APT with any frontend you can put on it. It IS the logical choice for SUSE to standardize on. Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
--- Fred Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
What are the real advantages of red-carpet (or
rug)
versus apt?
Awhile ago, I tried APT and TOTALLY "bombed" by system!
I don't want to start a flame war here, but your statements seems to me quite vague here... can you add some more meat? Aren't dependencies responsibility of RPM systems? How can be apt (or red carpet) fault if some packages conflict? Or does red-carpet add some additional controls ON TOP OF the RPMs ones? Can you be more specific of what exactly you mean with totally bombed system? what was your issue?
However, Red-Carpet IS a much more "polished" application with more command line options, I believe, if you want to use them. I've NOT had any problems yet.
can you be more specific? what are the additional command line options?
It's also a LOT more user friendly than APT with any frontend you can put on it.
any example of easier (more user friendly) feature? Timur _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush
On Friday August 27 2004 10:23 am, Timur wrote:
--- Fred Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
What are the real advantages of red-carpet (or
rug)
versus apt?
Awhile ago, I tried APT and TOTALLY "bombed" by system!
I don't want to start a flame war here, but your statements seems to me quite vague here... can you add some more meat?
For one, APT installed a kernel that wasn't for this box as an update.....really messed things up.
Aren't dependencies responsibility of RPM systems? How can be apt (or red carpet) fault if some packages conflict?
Or does red-carpet add some additional controls ON TOP OF the RPMs ones?
For one, it also provides a "go back" feature, which I'm sure some have or will find VERY usefull.
Can you be more specific of what exactly you mean with totally bombed system? what was your issue?
Read above. [SNIP] For more info., check out the R-C site and take a look.............http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/update.html Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/redcarpet2/suse-91-i586
You want rcd, rug and red-carpet. rcd is the daemon that does all the work, rug is a command line client (always good to have around) and red-carpet is a gui client.
when they're installed, do /etc/init.d/rcd start, then
rug service-add http://open-carpet.org/services/gwdg
Then "kdesu red-carpet" will launch the client, in the "channels" you can select which channels you want to subscribe to, I suggest KDE, packman and suse-91-i586
Anders I tried to install it and got this error python-gtk >= 2.0.0-31.ximian.1 is needed by red-carpet-2.2.3-0.ximian.9.0 Can you advise how to solve this ? Thanks Mike
I tried to install it and got this error python-gtk >= 2.0.0-31.ximian.1 is needed by red-carpet-2.2.3-0.ximian.9.0
Can you advise how to solve this ?
That one's available through the standard YAST install software panel. There may also be a couple other missing dependencies if I remember correctly (GNOME stuff) but those can all be added through the YAST installer as well. Steve
Hi there guys, I didn't mean to start any fights or anything, but just so you know, I was actually asking about YOU in my original email. However, the purpose of my email was to find out the best way to determine when new versions of the KDE3.3 rpms are added to the supplementary source directory and to perform the upgrade to these new versions. All suggestions are greatly appreciated, whether they use suse package management tools or not. thanks, daveor On Friday 27 August 2004 09:57, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:50, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Anders,
On Thursday 26 August 2004 14:25, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:23, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Another quick question....
if SuSE find that this is a bug in their release of KDE3.3 and subsequently fix it and do another release into the ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/...../supplent/KDE/yast-source directory. Will YAST online update realise that this source has changed and notify me that there's a new version available, or will I have to check manually and perform a manual update?
online update won't look at your supplementary sources
He asked about YaST Install and Remove, not YOU.
I'm sorry, I guess I was fooled by his use of the words "will YAST online update realise....."
Use something saner, like red carpet or apt instead of yast to update your kde. It's just much easier.
You keep suggesting the great superiority of red carpet or apt, but you never say why. I've seen some indications of problems from people who've gone the apt route. In general, I need some pretty compelling reasons to abandon the software configuration management supplied by the vendor of the distribution I'm using. And I have concerns about how well such alternatives would integrate with other system software. After all, installation support and configuration management are a good bit of the value added by a commercial distribution.
If I was a hardcore do-it-yourselfer (as regards my Linux installation, specifically), then I'd build everything myself and ignore the distributions, but that's not how I want to spend my time...
Tell you what: install it on a hobby machine and give it a spin, then get back to me. Red Carpet is three rpms, no configuration needed. Just give it a try
Anders, On Thursday 26 August 2004 14:57, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:50, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Anders,
On Thursday 26 August 2004 14:25, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 23:23, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Another quick question....
if SuSE find that this is a bug in their release of KDE3.3 and subsequently fix it and do another release into the ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/...../supplent/KDE/yast-source directory. Will YAST online update realise that this source has changed and notify me that there's a new version available, or will I have to check manually and perform a manual update?
online update won't look at your supplementary sources
He asked about YaST Install and Remove, not YOU.
I'm sorry, I guess I was fooled by his use of the words "will YAST online update realise....."
Hmm... That does look like my mistake, doesn't it? "Act in haste, repent in leisure", eh?
Use something saner, like red carpet or apt instead of yast to update your kde. It's just much easier.
You keep suggesting the great superiority of red carpet or apt, but you never say why. ...
If I was a hardcore do-it-yourselfer (as regards my Linux installation, specifically), then I'd build everything myself and ignore the distributions, but that's not how I want to spend my time...
Tell you what: install it on a hobby machine and give it a spin, then get back to me. Red Carpet is three rpms, no configuration needed. Just give it a try
As soon as you send me this hobby machine, I'll do just that. Short of that, why won't you enumerate the advantages you perceive with red carpet? Randall Schulz
On Friday 27 August 2004 01:06, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Short of that, why won't you enumerate the advantages you perceive with red carpet?
red carpet or apt will update or install packages from multiple sources, repositories, taking care of any dependency problems you may have. In red carpet, this can even be a local directory. They have command line tools that yast is nowhere near, yast has been completely screwed for remote use ever since they dropped the ncurses version. 7.3 was the last yast with a decent package manager, IIRC. You can easily set up local repositories, so you can install a package from the net on a test machine, and then transfer it to your local repository where your production machines install from, once you've verified that the package works (corollary: no sysadmin worth his salary will install a package update on a production machine without first testing if it works) ximian is a part of Novell, just like SuSE, so I'm hoping red carpet will become an official part of the toolchain in the next version, and do away with the package manager in yast2 which was broken from the start and then only marginally improved in later versions. Technologically, red carpet is light years ahead
On Thursday August 26 2004 7:14 pm, Anders Johansson wrote: [snip]
ximian is a part of Novell, just like SuSE, so I'm hoping red carpet will become an official part of the toolchain in the next version, and do away with the package manager in yast2 which was broken from the start and then only marginally improved in later versions. Technologically, red carpet is light years ahead
From what I can see, so far, I'd agree. Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
yast has been completely screwed for remote use ever since they dropped the ncurses version.
Stop bullocking. Type in env DISPLAY= yast2 to see why. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
On Friday 27 August 2004 02:52, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
yast has been completely screwed for remote use ever since they dropped the ncurses version.
Stop bullocking.
I never bully anyone, I am rarely in a position to do so. I was merely stating an opinion.
Type in env DISPLAY= yast2 to see why.
yeah, I was aware of that actually, and I find it nearly unusable. I was (obviously) talking about yast1
Hello Dave, Am Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:59:53 +1200 schrieben Sie (Dave O'Reilly <dave.oreilly@metservice.com>):
HI all, I upgraded my SuSE 9.1 box to KDE 3.3 via yast by adding ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/yast-source
to my list of installation sources and updating all KDE packages. I have one problem now...openoffice won't start. I get the following:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~>
anyone seen this or know what it's about?
nobody brought it up, so I'll give you a workaround that Manfred Tremmel mentioned on the suse-linux (German) list: You have to edit file /usr/X11R6/bin/OOo-template. In line 1339 test "${WINDOWMANAGER:0-3}" = "kde" && OOo_WIDGETS_SET=kde put a "#" (comment sign) at the beginning of the line, and everything should work again. This affects the look of OOo, it doesn't use the KDE style anymore, but it works. Regards Frank
Thanks for that tip, that worked. daveor On Saturday 28 August 2004 22:18, Frank Fabian wrote:
Hello Dave,
Am Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:59:53 +1200
schrieben Sie (Dave O'Reilly <dave.oreilly@metservice.com>):
HI all, I upgraded my SuSE 9.1 box to KDE 3.3 via yast by adding ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/yast-so urce
to my list of installation sources and updating all KDE packages. I have one problem now...openoffice won't start. I get the following:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~>
anyone seen this or know what it's about?
nobody brought it up, so I'll give you a workaround that Manfred Tremmel mentioned on the suse-linux (German) list:
You have to edit file /usr/X11R6/bin/OOo-template. In line 1339
test "${WINDOWMANAGER:0-3}" = "kde" && OOo_WIDGETS_SET=kde
put a "#" (comment sign) at the beginning of the line, and everything should work again. This affects the look of OOo, it doesn't use the KDE style anymore, but it works.
Regards
Frank
Frank Fabian schrieb:
Hello Dave,
Am Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:59:53 +1200 schrieben Sie (Dave O'Reilly <dave.oreilly@metservice.com>):
HI all, I upgraded my SuSE 9.1 box to KDE 3.3 via yast by adding ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/yast-source
to my list of installation sources and updating all KDE packages. I have one problem now...openoffice won't start. I get the following:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~>
anyone seen this or know what it's about?
nobody brought it up, so I'll give you a workaround that Manfred Tremmel mentioned on the suse-linux (German) list:
You have to edit file /usr/X11R6/bin/OOo-template. In line 1339
test "${WINDOWMANAGER:0-3}" = "kde" && OOo_WIDGETS_SET=kde
put a "#" (comment sign) at the beginning of the line, and everything should work again. This affects the look of OOo, it doesn't use the KDE style anymore, but it works.
I played a bit with the Script: it is only the line export OOo_WIDGETS_LIBRARY_PATH="$OOo_GLOBAL_HOME/program/widgets/kde" which has to be commented out seems to me that the kde widget lib in this OOo_WIDGETS_LIBRARY_PATH from OOo doesnt work anymore with KDE3.3 on the other side it comes up with the KDE-style anyway on my machine but i dont know what lib it uses instead of
Hi all, I'm sure you'll all be happy to hear that if you upgrade to kdelib3 version 3.3.0-10, which is available on red-carpet channel KDE, openoffice works without any hacks/modifications to template files etc. happy document writing! :-) daveor On Monday 30 August 2004 09:54, Michael Riess wrote:
Frank Fabian schrieb:
Hello Dave,
Am Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:59:53 +1200
schrieben Sie (Dave O'Reilly <dave.oreilly@metservice.com>):
HI all, I upgraded my SuSE 9.1 box to KDE 3.3 via yast by adding ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/yast-so urce
to my list of installation sources and updating all KDE packages. I have one problem now...openoffice won't start. I get the following:
daveor@jimbo:~> OOo-writer Starting /opt/OpenOffice.org/program/swriter... soffice.bin: kdecore/kcmdlineargs.cpp:159: static void KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const KAboutData*, bool): Assertion `argsList == 0' failed. Aborted daveor@jimbo:~>
anyone seen this or know what it's about?
nobody brought it up, so I'll give you a workaround that Manfred Tremmel mentioned on the suse-linux (German) list:
You have to edit file /usr/X11R6/bin/OOo-template. In line 1339
test "${WINDOWMANAGER:0-3}" = "kde" && OOo_WIDGETS_SET=kde
put a "#" (comment sign) at the beginning of the line, and everything should work again. This affects the look of OOo, it doesn't use the KDE style anymore, but it works.
I played a bit with the Script:
it is only the line export OOo_WIDGETS_LIBRARY_PATH="$OOo_GLOBAL_HOME/program/widgets/kde" which has to be commented out
seems to me that the kde widget lib in this OOo_WIDGETS_LIBRARY_PATH from OOo doesnt work anymore with KDE3.3
on the other side it comes up with the KDE-style anyway on my machine but i dont know what lib it uses instead of
Dave, On Tuesday 31 August 2004 16:44, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Hi all, I'm sure you'll all be happy to hear that if you upgrade to kdelib3 version 3.3.0-10, which is available on red-carpet channel KDE, openoffice works without any hacks/modifications to template files etc.
That's what's installed on my system (from the "supplementary KDE 3.3 update" from the repository at ftp.gwdg.de via the YaST Install & Remove module), and it still suffers from the OOo launch problem. % rpm -qa kdelibs3 kdelibs3-3.3.0-10
happy document writing! :-)
daveor
Randall Schulz
oops, my mistake, it's build 14...sorry I must have misread...
rpm -qa kdelibs3 kdelibs3-3.3.0-14
daveor On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:00, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Dave,
On Tuesday 31 August 2004 16:44, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Hi all, I'm sure you'll all be happy to hear that if you upgrade to kdelib3 version 3.3.0-10, which is available on red-carpet channel KDE, openoffice works without any hacks/modifications to template files etc.
That's what's installed on my system (from the "supplementary KDE 3.3 update" from the repository at ftp.gwdg.de via the YaST Install & Remove module), and it still suffers from the OOo launch problem.
% rpm -qa kdelibs3 kdelibs3-3.3.0-10
happy document writing! :-)
daveor
Randall Schulz
On Tuesday August 31 2004 7:44 pm, Dave O'Reilly wrote:
Hi all, I'm sure you'll all be happy to hear that if you upgrade to kdelib3 version 3.3.0-10, which is available on red-carpet channel KDE, openoffice works without any hacks/modifications to template files etc.
happy document writing! :-)
'More than that........a BUNCH of KDE new files! Fred -- "Running Windows on a Pentium is like getting a Porsche but only being able to drive it in reverse with the handbrake on."
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