Hello SuSE KDE people. I installed 11.1 shortly after it was released and elected to install KDE4.1 as a test bed and to see how I liked it. It was OK but lt lacked many features. So I waited until 4.2 was released, The other night I did the "one click" install and came up with a huge amount of dependencies. I kind of expected that from following the mailing list. On many of the dependencies the only option was to uninstall the package. Kmail was one of them. I OK'd that (and others) thinking they would be reinstalled. Wrong !! The actual message on the dependency was "Nothing provides libical0>=0.43 Needed by kdepimlibs4-4.1.96-1.5x86_64" and was the same for many other apps. Now, kdepimlibs4-4.1 ???? Why ? And the other apps with dependencies were designated 4.1 also. No upgrades on those packages? And what the heck is, or where do I find libical0 ? Not only that, when the upgrade was done doing it's thing, the next time I booted up 11.1 the whole desktop had changed, theme, everything. AND the taskbar kicker or whatever it is called now was missing. Gone! I couldn't figure out how to bring it back or find a way to bring up the menu or log out. So, bottom line, if someone could explain the libical thing so I can get Kmail back it would be good. Then maybe I can find out how KDE4.2 is. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
Hello SuSE KDE people.
I installed 11.1 shortly after it was released and elected to install KDE4.1 as a test bed and to see how I liked it. It was OK but lt lacked many features. So I waited until 4.2 was released, The other night I did the "one click" install and came up with a huge amount of dependencies. I kind of expected that from following the mailing list.
On many of the dependencies the only option was to uninstall the package. Kmail was one of them. I OK'd that (and others) thinking they would be reinstalled. Wrong !!
The actual message on the dependency was "Nothing provides libical0>=0.43 Needed by kdepimlibs4-4.1.96-1.5x86_64" and was the same for many other apps. Now, kdepimlibs4-4.1 ???? Why ? And the other apps with dependencies were designated 4.1 also. No upgrades on those packages? And what the heck is, or where do I find libical0 ?
Not only that, when the upgrade was done doing it's thing, the next time I booted up 11.1 the whole desktop had changed, theme, everything. AND the taskbar kicker or whatever it is called now was missing. Gone! I couldn't figure out how to bring it back or find a way to bring up the menu or log out.
So, bottom line, if someone could explain the libical thing so I can get Kmail back it would be good. Then maybe I can find out how KDE4.2 is.
I had almost the same experience - and am still having dependency problems on a daily basis - except that I did a clean, new installation only a few days ago. Dependency hassles galore :-( . However, the main dependency problems are with amarok - which I don't use so I simply don't install any updates for it - and with kdebase, or something, which dependency error tells that it wants to downgrade to kde3-something which will also affect some 112 other files. In answer to this dependency error I give it the two-finger salute- and keep going with what is installed. (Oh, apart from being a new installation I also used the 1-click install.) Strange, though, I had little trouble when I "simply" added the 3 necessary directories to an existing KDE4.1 installation on oS11.1 and it got updated to KDE4.2RC1. New installation and using the 1-click resulted in all sorts of hassles. Re the lose of desktop/taskbar ticker etc: rename (or delete) the ~/.kde4 directory and the whole desktop will rebuild itself on next logon - but you will also have to reconfigure it. Ciao. -- "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 13:19:48 schrieb Bob S:
I installed 11.1 shortly after it was released and elected to install KDE4.1 as a test bed and to see how I liked it. It was OK but lt lacked many features. So I waited until 4.2 was released, The other night I did the "one click" install and came up with a huge amount of dependencies. I kind of expected that from following the mailing list.
KDE 4.2 was not yet released. http://www.kde.org/
On many of the dependencies the only option was to uninstall the package. Kmail was one of them. I OK'd that (and others) thinking they would be reinstalled. Wrong !!
If you chose to remove them, why would they be re-installed? The software does whatever you tell it to.
The actual message on the dependency was "Nothing provides libical0>=0.43 Needed by kdepimlibs4-4.1.96-1.5x86_64" and was the same for many other apps. Now, kdepimlibs4-4.1 ???? Why ? And the other apps with dependencies were designated 4.1 also. No upgrades on those packages? And what the heck is, or where do I find libical0 ?
If you have a look at the repos, there are updated versions of all these, so either you or your mirror are doing something wrong. There are packages to be removed, because they do not exist in KDE 4.2 anymore, but certainly not kmail.
Not only that, when the upgrade was done doing it's thing, the next time I booted up 11.1 the whole desktop had changed, theme, everything. AND the taskbar kicker or whatever it is called now was missing. Gone! I couldn't figure out how to bring it back or find a way to bring up the menu or log out.
To add a panel, right-click the desktop to unlock and add a panel. If you do not care about your desktop settings: open a konsole, do kquitapp plasma, wait until plasma quit, rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*, start plasma again.
So, bottom line, if someone could explain the libical thing so I can get Kmail back it would be good. Then maybe I can find out how KDE4.2 is.
Check the repository you use, whther it contains the package. Do not use smart or anything other than zypper+YaST for upgrading. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Fredag 23 januar 2009 08:06:24 skrev Sven Burmeister:
Just adding one comment to Sven's answer. You guys realize that the 4.2 factory packages are under development and non- released, unsupported packages, right? You forfeited any rights to complain or expect convenience, polish or anything else, the second you started messing around with Build Service KDE - so please, if you don't know what you're doing at all, don't mess with unsupported packages - and if you insist on messing with them anyway, don't friggin' complain about problems and inconveniences. What you can do is report problems in a friendly way, if you encounter _real_ problems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 January 2009 05:10:03 am Martin Schlander wrote:
Fredag 23 januar 2009 08:06:24 skrev Sven Burmeister:
Just adding one comment to Sven's answer.
You guys realize that the 4.2 factory packages are under development and non- released, unsupported packages, right?
You forfeited any rights to complain or expect convenience, polish or anything else, the second you started messing around with Build Service KDE - so please, if you don't know what you're doing at all, don't mess with unsupported packages - and if you insist on messing with them anyway, don't friggin' complain about problems and inconveniences.
What you can do is report problems in a friendly way, if you encounter _real_ problems.
Martin, I agree on you comment about rude complains, but people should try (mess) with a new stuff, if they are real Linux users, and they should report even small inconveniences, not only real problems. Developers should know about them and put them in the queue. Discussing problems and solutions can only help both sides, and if that happens few times in the row, it still better then no reports at all. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 January 2009 06:10:03 am Martin Schlander wrote:
Fredag 23 januar 2009 08:06:24 skrev Sven Burmeister:
Just adding one comment to Sven's answer.
You guys realize that the 4.2 factory packages are under development and non- released, unsupported packages, right?
Uh, You are really running off at the mouth here. If you have been following this list you will see that the 4.2 packages have been placed in "Factory" for people to try, test, evaluate, and see if the missing features have been restored. In my "test bed" of 11.1 if you read the thread.
You forfeited any rights to complain or expect convenience, polish or anything else, the second you started messing around with Build Service KDE - so please, if you don't know what you're doing at all, don't mess with unsupported packages - and if you insist on messing with them anyway, don't friggin' complain about problems and inconveniences.
What are you? Some kind of arbitrator or evaluator of who can do these things.? You know the experience of the people on this list who do these things, right? So what makes you think we don't know what we are doing? And we don't know the purposes of the different repos or what they represent.
What you can do is report problems in a friendly way, if you encounter _real_ problems.
And pray tell who was unfriendly Mr. expert of all things 4.2? Buzz off! and keep your comments to yourself. OK ? Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 06:42:29 am Bob S wrote:
Buzz off! and keep your comments to yourself. OK ?
Hey, hey. Everyone has right to make mistake, including Martin, you and me, but answering on his mistake with such words is just making another mistake. BTW, I had today problem with number of dependency issues. Not the same as yours, but still something that 4.2 beta should not have. Usually I use 'zypper up' and I could not see any problem, but today I used YaST Software Management > Filter:Packages:All packages and "Update all in this list if newer version is available" and dependency issue happened. The 'zypper up' reports no update available. That means something is foul as both tools should show the same result. The request appear to me as the same. Right now I still use YaST with Filter:Packages:KDE4... and allow to downgrade some packages with assumption that is just version numbering issue. They all are kde4 so it should not create problem in the rest of the system. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
2009/1/25 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 06:42:29 am Bob S wrote:
Buzz off! and keep your comments to yourself. OK ?
Hey, hey.
Everyone has right to make mistake, including Martin, you and me, but answering on his mistake with such words is just making another mistake.
BTW, I had today problem with number of dependency issues. Not the same as yours, but still something that 4.2 beta should not have.
Usually I use 'zypper up' and I could not see any problem, but today I used YaST Software Management > Filter:Packages:All packages and "Update all in this list if newer version is available" and dependency issue happened. The 'zypper up' reports no update available.
You can get this issue with: zypper up kd* Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag 25 Januar 2009 10:18:36 schrieb Rajko M.:
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BTW, I had today problem with number of dependency issues. Not the same as yours, but still something that 4.2 beta should not have.
Usually I use 'zypper up' and I could not see any problem, but today I used YaST Software Management > Filter:Packages:All packages and "Update all in this list if newer version is available" and dependency issue happened. The 'zypper up' reports no update available.
That means something is foul as both tools should show the same result. The request appear to me as the same.
Right now I still use YaST with Filter:Packages:KDE4... and allow to downgrade some packages with assumption that is just version numbering issue. They all are kde4 so it should not create problem in the rest of the system.
May be the problem is, that the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop build service project already contains KDE 4.2 final packages, which will be not delivered to the mirrors until the real release happens. Other repositories (KDE:KDE4:Community for example) have already been built on top of KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop, so they depend on the final version and are already delivered to the mirrors. So there may be some dependency issues. With the release of KDE 4.2 on tuesday everything should be fine. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 January 2009 09:06:24 pm Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 13:19:48 schrieb Bob S:
I installed 11.1 shortly after it was released and elected to install KDE4.1 as a test bed and to see how I liked it. It was OK but lt lacked many features. So I waited until 4.2 was released, The other night I did the "one click" install and came up with a huge amount of dependencies. I kind of expected that from following the mailing list.
KDE 4.2 was not yet released. http://www.kde.org/
On many of the dependencies the only option was to uninstall the package. Kmail was one of them. I OK'd that (and others) thinking they would be reinstalled. Wrong !!
If you chose to remove them, why would they be re-installed? The software does whatever you tell it to.
The actual message on the dependency was "Nothing provides libical0>=0.43 Needed by kdepimlibs4-4.1.96-1.5x86_64" and was the same for many other apps. Now, kdepimlibs4-4.1 ???? Why ? And the other apps with dependencies were designated 4.1 also. No upgrades on those packages? And what the heck is, or where do I find libical0 ?
If you have a look at the repos, there are updated versions of all these, so either you or your mirror are doing something wrong. There are packages to be removed, because they do not exist in KDE 4.2 anymore, but certainly not kmail.
Not only that, when the upgrade was done doing it's thing, the next time I booted up 11.1 the whole desktop had changed, theme, everything. AND the taskbar kicker or whatever it is called now was missing. Gone! I couldn't figure out how to bring it back or find a way to bring up the menu or log out.
To add a panel, right-click the desktop to unlock and add a panel. If you do not care about your desktop settings: open a konsole, do kquitapp plasma, wait until plasma quit, rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*, start plasma again.
So, bottom line, if someone could explain the libical thing so I can get Kmail back it would be good. Then maybe I can find out how KDE4.2 is.
Check the repository you use, whther it contains the package. Do not use smart or anything other than zypper+YaST for upgrading.
Sven
soo, a poor soul clicks on the one click install and all that happens... on a release candidate.... and then he gets scolded ..... I guess i can wait a while before i experiment with whatever magical thing plamoids(!!!!!) are... is all this 4.xx shtuff a microsoft conspiracy / false flag operation or something like it? sometimes one wonders, but please, don't tell me if you have to kill me afterwards... d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 01:54:18 schrieb kanenas@hawaii.rr.com:
I guess i can wait a while before i experiment with whatever magical thing plamoids(!!!!!) are...
If you do not want to wait, just export and post the list of dependency issues.
is all this 4.xx shtuff a microsoft conspiracy / false flag operation or something like it? sometimes one wonders, but please, don't tell me if you have to kill me afterwards...
It's all in your head! :) And please do not forget, package dependencies have nothing to do with KDE4 code/quality. Mixing those two will only make people wonder about what you mean. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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