-----Original Message----- From: David Herman [mailto:ob1@yifan.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:05 PM
For those thinking of upgrading I would suggest waiting for SuSE to put rpm's up on their site.
Roughly how long might SuSE be expected to take to create, test, and make available the SuSE flavo[u]r rpms? Days? Weeks? SuSE 9.0? :-) Also, would it naturally appear as an offering the next time I ran YOU? Or would I have to go looking for it? What's the philosophy on this sort of thing. KDE 3.1 is a point release, so does SuSE consider that just another update that would appear among all the other updates, patches, etc., for YaST and various apps? Or is KDE 3.1 such a significant change that you'd have to ask for it explicitly? /kevin
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 22:10 schrieb KMcLauchlan@chrysalis-its.com:
-----Original Message----- From: David Herman [mailto:ob1@yifan.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:05 PM
For those thinking of upgrading I would suggest waiting for SuSE to put rpm's up on their site.
Roughly how long might SuSE be expected to take to create, test, and make available the SuSE flavo[u]r rpms?
Days? Weeks? SuSE 9.0? :-)
done already. they're under their linuKs service...
Also, would it naturally appear as an offering the next time I ran YOU? Or would I have to go looking for it?
right now, no KDE 3.1 in YOU but for manual download. bye, [MH]
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 22:25, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 22:10 schrieb KMcLauchlan@chrysalis-its.com:
Roughly how long might SuSE be expected to take to create, test, and make available the SuSE flavo[u]r rpms? done already. they're under their linuKs service... Hmmm... on the page: http://www.suse.de/en/private/download/linuks/index.html I only see "KDE 3.0.4 packages are now available."
Please tell me were to look... I cant wait to get it. -- Regards Klaus Vink Slott
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 22:37 schrieb Klaus Vink Slott:
Hmmm... on the page: http://www.suse.de/en/private/download/linuks/index.html I only see "KDE 3.0.4 packages are now available."
Please tell me were to look... I cant wait to get it.
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/ or the mirrors of course, but beware, its so fresh not all mirrors have it yet. bye, [MH] -- Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstößt gegen §1 UWG und §823 I BGB (Beschluß des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998 Az: 16 O 201/98). Jede kommerzielle Nutzung der übermittelten persönlichen Daten sowie deren Weitergabe an Dritte ist ausdrücklich untersagt!
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 KMcLauchlan@chrysalis-its.com wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: David Herman [mailto:ob1@yifan.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:05 PM
For those thinking of upgrading I would suggest waiting for SuSE to put rpm's up on their site.
Roughly how long might SuSE be expected to take to create, test, and make available the SuSE flavo[u]r rpms?
this work will be in the next release. The integration work needs also to touch packages beside KDE which broke for sure other stuff. And we are not able to do a full beta test for 7.1, 7.2, ... and 8.1 with new kde packages. btw. these packages are in the supplementary directory, because they are supplementary ;) bye adrian ********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (923 mails already received today.)
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:02 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 KMcLauchlan@chrysalis-its.com wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: David Herman [mailto:ob1@yifan.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:05 PM
For those thinking of upgrading I would suggest waiting for SuSE to put rpm's up on their site.
Roughly how long might SuSE be expected to take to create, test, and make available the SuSE flavo[u]r rpms?
this work will be in the next release. The integration work needs also to touch packages beside KDE which broke for sure other stuff. And we are not able to do a full beta test for 7.1, 7.2, ... and 8.1 with new kde packages.
Did I get that one right? Did you just say 'if you want kde 3.1 fully integrated on suse, buy 8.2'? Or did I misunderstand you? bye, [MH]
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:02 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 KMcLauchlan@chrysalis-its.com wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: David Herman [mailto:ob1@yifan.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:05 PM
For those thinking of upgrading I would suggest waiting for SuSE to put rpm's up on their site.
Roughly how long might SuSE be expected to take to create, test, and make available the SuSE flavo[u]r rpms?
this work will be in the next release. The integration work needs also to touch packages beside KDE which broke for sure other stuff. And we are not able to do a full beta test for 7.1, 7.2, ... and 8.1 with new kde packages.
Did I get that one right? Did you just say 'if you want kde 3.1 fully integrated on suse, buy 8.2'? Or did I misunderstand you?
I did not say buy, I said wait for it. But I will for sure not do double work and put more than 1GB of packages per distro out. And we would have anyway have no resources to test them all. It is not that these packages are not working, but they are of course not best integrated. And I will not rewrite old tools only to let work SuSE 7.1 good with KDE 3.1 (this would be anyway begin at compiler and glibc, so ....) bye adrian ********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (935 mails already received today.)
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:26 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
Did I get that one right? Did you just say 'if you want kde 3.1 fully integrated on suse, buy 8.2'? Or did I misunderstand you?
I did not say buy, I said wait for it. But I will for sure not do double work and put more than 1GB of packages per distro out. And we would have anyway have no resources to test them all.
What about SuSE 8.0? Will there be a fully integrated KDE 3.1 for it? maybe even through YOU?
It is not that these packages are not working, but they are of course not best integrated. And I will not rewrite old tools only to let work SuSE 7.1 good with KDE 3.1 (this would be anyway begin at compiler and glibc, so ....)
understandable. not very funny for users who want to stick to the older versions of SuSE but definitely understandable. bye, [MH]
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:26 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
Did I get that one right? Did you just say 'if you want kde 3.1 fully integrated on suse, buy 8.2'? Or did I misunderstand you?
I did not say buy, I said wait for it. But I will for sure not do double work and put more than 1GB of packages per distro out. And we would have anyway have no resources to test them all.
What about SuSE 8.0? Will there be a fully integrated KDE 3.1 for it? maybe even through YOU?
YOU is only for maintainance. KDE 3.1 is for sure a feature update, so it will not appear in YOU. But I hope to have soon a YaST2 source (which can be added in YaST2 source manager) for SuSE 8.1 soon. bye adrian ********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (960 mails already received today.)
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:50 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:26 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
Did I get that one right? Did you just say 'if you want kde 3.1 fully integrated on suse, buy 8.2'? Or did I misunderstand you?
I did not say buy, I said wait for it. But I will for sure not do double work and put more than 1GB of packages per distro out. And we would have anyway have no resources to test them all.
What about SuSE 8.0? Will there be a fully integrated KDE 3.1 for it? maybe even through YOU?
YOU is only for maintainance. KDE 3.1 is for sure a feature update, so it will not appear in YOU. But I hope to have soon a YaST2 source (which can be added in YaST2 source manager) for SuSE 8.1 soon.
I was talking about SuSE 8.0 not 8.1... bye, [MH]
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:50 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 23:26 schrieb Adrian Schroeter:
Did I get that one right? Did you just say 'if you want kde 3.1 fully integrated on suse, buy 8.2'? Or did I misunderstand you?
I did not say buy, I said wait for it. But I will for sure not do double work and put more than 1GB of packages per distro out. And we would have anyway have no resources to test them all.
What about SuSE 8.0? Will there be a fully integrated KDE 3.1 for it? maybe even through YOU?
YOU is only for maintainance. KDE 3.1 is for sure a feature update, so it will not appear in YOU. But I hope to have soon a YaST2 source (which can be added in YaST2 source manager) for SuSE 8.1 soon.
I was talking about SuSE 8.0 not 8.1...
yes ... but I was talking about not to backport apps (like YaST) ... to make it clear. supplementary == you are on your own. Of course I am glad about bug reports, and I try to fix them, but there is definitive no time for me to port old apps. (okay, I want more to implement new features in free time) bye adrian ********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (5 mails already received today.)
Hi, Adrian Schroeter schrieb:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mathias Homann wrote:
What about SuSE 8.0? Will there be a fully integrated KDE 3.1 for it? maybe even through YOU?
YOU is only for maintainance. KDE 3.1 is for sure a feature update, so it will not appear in YOU. But I hope to have soon a YaST2 source (which can be added in YaST2 source manager) for SuSE 8.1 soon.
Cool. This will mean - to be sure - that it can then be found under supplementary->KDE->8.1 and be installed via rpm -Uhv *.rpm? I didn't know that this strange yast inst_source can be of any use? Originally - as SuSE's marketing experts wanted me to think, I suspect - I hoped to make more than one entry (a bit like with apt) for SuSE 8.1 in this inst_source list. But it told me that there was another source for this... :-( And now I hear that this module can be used for s. th. Is there any further documentation? Will I then have to choose the suppl . folder or other to make it available as yast source? Ré
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 04:50 pm, Adrian Schroeter wrote:
YOU is only for maintainance. KDE 3.1 is for sure a feature update, so it will not appear in YOU. But I hope to have soon a YaST2 source (which can be added in YaST2 source manager) for SuSE 8.1 soon.
bye adrian
********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (960 mails already received today.)
When 8,1was released it came with a previous vers of KDE and SuSE used YOU to allow users to update KDE to 3.0.5. Whish we all appreciated VERY MUCH! Is the change to YOU uses as told to us by Adrian official policy? PeterB -- -- Proud to be a SuSE Linux User since 5.2 --
Dear Adrian, SuSE 8.1 is the CURRENT RELEASE; do you really mean that there will be NO YOU KDE 3.1 update entries avail to current 8.1 owners? SuSE has not even breathed a hint about 8.2 or whatever the next rel will be called. PeterB On Wednesday 29 January 2003 06:06 pm, Peter B Van Campen wrote:
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 04:50 pm, Adrian Schroeter wrote:
YOU is only for maintainance. KDE 3.1 is for sure a feature update, so it will not appear in YOU. But I hope to have soon a YaST2 source (which can be added in YaST2 source manager) for SuSE 8.1 soon.
bye adrian
********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (960 mails already received today.)
When 8,1was released it came with a previous vers of KDE and SuSE used YOU to allow users to update KDE to 3.0.5. Whish we all appreciated VERY MUCH! Is the change to YOU uses as told to us by Adrian official policy?
PeterB
-- -- Proud to be a SuSE Linux User since 5.2 --
SuSE 8.1 came with KDE 3. KDE 3.0.5 is a security update and thus availiable via YOU. KDE 3.1 is a feature update an thus _not_ availiable via YOU. It's rather simple... Greets, Daniel Am Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 01:06 schrieb Peter B Van Campen:
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 04:50 pm, Adrian Schroeter wrote:
YOU is only for maintainance. KDE 3.1 is for sure a feature update, so it will not appear in YOU. But I hope to have soon a YaST2 source (which can be added in YaST2 source manager) for SuSE 8.1 soon.
bye adrian
********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (960 mails already received today.)
When 8,1was released it came with a previous vers of KDE and SuSE used YOU to allow users to update KDE to 3.0.5. Whish we all appreciated VERY MUCH! Is the change to YOU uses as told to us by Adrian official policy?
PeterB -- --
Proud to be a SuSE Linux User since 5.2
--
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Peter B Van Campen wrote:
When 8,1was released it came with a previous vers of KDE and SuSE used YOU to allow users to update KDE to 3.0.5. Whish we all appreciated VERY MUCH! Is the change to YOU uses as told to us by Adrian official policy?
yes. but it was only a patchlevel update (bug fixes only, no new feature and internal reorganisation). You can see this in the version number, it was a change from 3.0.x to 3.0.y. but not a 3.x to 3.y . (It is not the case that I have a fully integrated system here and do not want to put it out. I do not have such a system here, but we are working on it.) bye adrian ********************************************************************** Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de (380 mails already received today.)
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