[opensuse-kde] Problems with ksnapshot
Hello, the ksnapshot-window won't go to the background after I click on new foto if delay is set to none. This happens on my laptop with openSuSE 12.2 and *4.10.2 "release 556" from K:R. If I set a value of one second or greater, it works normally. Some modi work fine, but those in which i mark an area are showing that problem. On my other with laptop with OS 12.3 and KDE 10.0.0 it works as it should, the ksnapshot window goes to the background, even if the delay is set to no delay. regards Harald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Harald Stürmer <ironcold@ironcold.de> Sat, 20 Apr 2013 02:45:38 +0300:
Hello,
the ksnapshot-window won't go to the background after I click on new foto if delay is set to none. This happens on my laptop with openSuSE 12.2 and *4.10.2 "release 556" from K:R. If I set a value of one second or greater, it works normally. Some modi work fine, but those in which i mark an area are showing that problem. On my other with laptop with OS 12.3 and KDE 10.0.0 it works as it should, the ksnapshot window goes to the background, even if the delay is set to no delay.
regards Harald
Hi. It's an old known issue :( You could use delay in 1 second to prevent it. I've got it since KDE 4.7 as I remember. -- Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-04-20 12:17 (GMT+0300) Dmitriy Perlow composed:
Harald Stürmer composed:
the ksnapshot-window won't go to the background after I click on new foto if delay is set to none. This happens on my laptop with openSuSE 12.2 and *4.10.2 "release 556" from K:R. If I set a value of one second or greater, it works normally. Some modi work fine, but those in which i mark an area are showing that problem. On my other with laptop with OS 12.3 and KDE 10.0.0 it works as it should, the ksnapshot window goes to the background, even if the delay is set to no delay.
Hi. It's an old known issue :( You could use delay in 1 second to prevent it. I've got it since KDE 4.7 as I remember.
Set to 0 I wouldn't necessarily expect not going to background to be a bug as long as the KSnapshot window isn't part of a new snapshot. If the KSnapshot window is included, maybe not going to background is intentional precisely so that the KSnapshot window can be included in a snapshot without needing a second instance of it open. 1 second is pretty short. For most people a 1 second delay is probably instant enough. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:50:17 +0300:
Set to 0 I wouldn't necessarily expect not going to background to be a bug as long as the KSnapshot window isn't part of a new snapshot. If the KSnapshot window is included, maybe not going to background is intentional precisely so that the KSnapshot window can be included in a snapshot without needing a second instance of it open. 1 second is pretty short. For most people a 1 second delay is probably instant enough.
So attachment is OK? -- Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64
On 2013-04-20 13:06 (GMT+0300) Dmitriy Perlow composed:
So attachment is OK?
I don't know. Maybe. It might be necessary to ask on a KDE developer list or the assignee of any recent KSnapshot bugs on bugs.kde.org to find out whether it is intentional or a bug. Maybe it's discussed in KSnapshot help? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:25:20 +0300:
On 2013-04-20 13:06 (GMT+0300) Dmitriy Perlow composed:
So attachment is OK?
I don't know. Maybe. It might be necessary to ask on a KDE developer list or the assignee of any recent KSnapshot bugs on bugs.kde.org to find out whether it is intentional or a bug. Maybe it's discussed in KSnapshot help?
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137600 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260725 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279615 -- Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 20. April 2013, 05:50:17 schrieb Felix Miata:
Set to 0 I wouldn't necessarily expect not going to background to be a bug as long as the KSnapshot window isn't part of a new snapshot. If the KSnapshot window is included, maybe not going to background is intentional precisely so that the KSnapshot window can be included in a snapshot without needing a second instance of it open. 1 second is pretty short. For most people a 1 second delay is probably instant enough.
I think, it is a bug. It starts fading out, and keeps stuck in varios states of transparency. And as I said, on my second computer it always fades out till you can't see it. As Dimitriy posted in his last mail, there are already bugreports in the KDE bug tracker, so that problem is propably upstream and not OS related. regards Harald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:50:34 +0100 Harald Stürmer <harald.stuermer@ironcold.de> wrote: ...
I think, it is a bug. It starts fading out, and keeps stuck in varios states of transparency. And as I said, on my second computer it always fades out till you can't see it.
Does your other computer have Fade effect enabled? Here it shows fadeout (translucent) at some level if desktop effect Fade is active. After disabling effect it works as expected. It seems that is some timing issue. Added comment to: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279615 Note comment 2. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 20. April 2013, 18:56:00 schrieb Rajko:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:50:34 +0100 Harald Stürmer <harald.stuermer@ironcold.de> wrote:
...
I think, it is a bug. It starts fading out, and keeps stuck in varios states of transparency. And as I said, on my second computer it always fades out till you can't see it.
Does your other computer have Fade effect enabled?
No. The fade out effect was the difference.
Here it shows fadeout (translucent) at some level if desktop effect Fade is active. After disabling effect it works as expected.
Turned it off on my laptop, and ksnapshot worked as it should. Tried also and turned fade out effect on on my other laptop and had the same problem there.
It seems that is some timing issue.
Added comment to:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279615
Note comment 2. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Rajko <rmatov101@charter.net> Sun, 21 Apr 2013 02:56:00 +0300:
Does your other computer have Fade effect enabled?
Here it shows fadeout (translucent) at some level if desktop effect Fade is active. After disabling effect it works as expected.
It seems that is some timing issue.
Added comment to:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279615
Note comment 2.
I don't have Fade effect enabled, but I get the issue. -- Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:36:00 +0300 "Dmitriy Perlow" <dap@open.by> wrote:
I don't have Fade effect enabled, but I get the issue.
Find another one that creates delay when windows is closed, or minimized. I tried with Glide effect and put that in the last bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279615 It seems that KSnapshot is using delay that user can set as the only criteria when to trigger creation of temporary snapshot that will be used to mark area of the screen that you want to see in the KSnapshot. This makes no problem when delay is set to 1 s, but with "No Delay" it will capture any intermediate frame that KWin creates to animate windows going from full size to minimized, or closed. Now the only thing we need is someone that has C++, Qt and KDE knowledge, and enough time on his hands to figure out how to fix KSnapshot. I suspect that working "No delay" will require use of DBus to talk to KWin, and ask is KSnapshot window out of sight, before asking for temporary snapshot. This may not be trivial even for insider, and for sure it is not for one that knows only C++. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Rajko <rmatov101@charter.net> Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:50:21 +0300:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:36:00 +0300 "Dmitriy Perlow" <dap@open.by> wrote:
I don't have Fade effect enabled, but I get the issue.
Find another one that creates delay when windows is closed, or minimized. I tried with Glide effect and put that in the last bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279615
I have Taskbar Thumbnails, Translucency, Wobbly Windows, Startup Feedback, Desktop Cube Animation, Desktop Grid, Flip Switch and Present Windows. And I don't know if any of them could create a delay… The issue at my machine sometimes appears and sometimes not. At this moment I couldn't reproduce it, but I haven't done anything with my effects. -- Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:02:11 +0300 "Dmitriy Perlow" <dap@open.by> wrote: ....
I have Taskbar Thumbnails, Translucency, Wobbly Windows, Startup Feedback, Desktop Cube Animation, Desktop Grid, Flip Switch and Present Windows. And I don't know if any of them could create a delay… The issue at my machine sometimes appears and sometimes not. At this moment I couldn't reproduce it, but I haven't done anything with my effects.
Fact that it sometimes appear and sometimes not tells that effects only add some extra time that allows bug to appear. There is report when it occurs without any effects, the only important thing is that "No Delay" is getting its temporary snapshot as soon as possible, which means that any animation requiring screen refresh can trigger a bug. Example of animations that can trigger a bug could be moving mouse pointer, even for few pixels, a video running in some window, or program that is publishing results all the time. This can be actually very hard to resolve correctly, depends on how KWin works. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 21. April 2013, 10:31:09 schrieb Rajko:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:02:11 +0300 "Dmitriy Perlow" <dap@open.by> wrote:
Fact that it sometimes appear and sometimes not tells that effects only add some extra time that allows bug to appear. There is report when it occurs without any effects, the only important thing is that "No Delay" is getting its temporary snapshot as soon as possible, which means that any animation requiring screen refresh can trigger a bug.
Example of animations that can trigger a bug could be moving mouse pointer, even for few pixels, a video running in some window, or program that is publishing results all the time.
This can be actually very hard to resolve correctly, depends on how KWin works.
Maybe it would be best to make 1 second the minimum delay. That would resolve the problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-04-21 16:40 (GMT+0100) Harald Stürmer composed:
Maybe it would be best to make 1 second the minimum delay. That would resolve the problem.
I wouldn't. I'd just change the default from 0 to 1. And in the help I'd note what can be expected from selecting 0. Most of mine are set to 4. All have compositing disabled via Xorg config. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 21. April 2013, 11:50:28 schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2013-04-21 16:40 (GMT+0100) Harald Stürmer composed:
Maybe it would be best to make 1 second the minimum delay. That would resolve the problem.
I wouldn't. I'd just change the default from 0 to 1. And in the help I'd note what can be expected from selecting 0. Most of mine are set to 4. All have compositing disabled via Xorg config.
But then the next logical step would be to really make it a feature and don't put the ksnapshot window to the background if delay is set to none. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-04-21 17:01 (GMT+0100) Harald Stürmer composed:
Felix Miata composed:
On 2013-04-21 16:40 (GMT+0100) Harald Stürmer composed:
Maybe it would be best to make 1 second the minimum delay. That would resolve the problem.
I wouldn't. I'd just change the default from 0 to 1. And in the help I'd note what can be expected from selecting 0. Most of mine are set to 4. All have compositing disabled via Xorg config.
But then the next logical step would be to really make it a feature and don't put the ksnapshot window to the background if delay is set to none.
Or not. I don't know. If yes, I think a checkbox to indicate whether to include its window in the snapshot or not would be warranted, which may or may not be a good idea on its own. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 20. April 2013, 05:50:17 schrieb Felix Miata:
Set to 0 I wouldn't necessarily expect not going to background to be a bug as long as the KSnapshot window isn't part of a new snapshot. If the KSnapshot window is included, maybe not going to background is intentional precisely so that the KSnapshot window can be included in a snapshot without needing a second instance of it open. 1 second is pretty short. For most people a 1 second delay is probably instant enough.
I think, it is a bug. It starts fading out, and keeps stuck in varios states of transparency. And as I said, on my second computer it always fades out till you can't see it. As Dimitriy posted in his last mail, there are already bugreports in the KDE bug tracker, so that problem is propably upstream and not OS related. regards Harald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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