On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM, dh
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:28:08 PM Christophe Giboudeaux wrote:
Although no specific mention is made of repositories outside the core release, it seems to me that if we make upgrade recommendations such as those on the en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories page, then support for those recommendations should not be dropped until the distro reaches EOL.
I tend to disagree. Wasting build power and storage space just for the sake of having unmaintained repositories around doesn't really give a positive impression.
Your response missed the point of the paragraph being referred to. It is not for the sake of "having unmaintained repositories around", 4.6, 4.7 and 4.8 may well be unmaintained, but 4.9 unstable for openSUSE12.1? That provides a testing ground for software which is headed towards KR49. Last I heard, 4.9 was current. It is part of the community recommended, "relatively safe" upgrade path.
unstable:playground is not generally used as a testing ground as far as I am aware, it is used as a place for unstable or svn/git releases of software. Testing of major changes to software usually happens in KDF. So removing this doesn't much affect testing, rather it removes packages for people who want the absolute most bleeding-edge software even if it is buggy. That is really the target audience of unstable:playground. So the question is, who is so careful about only using tried-and-true software that they rely on the previous openSUSE release, but still wants bleeding-edge, buggy, unreleased software?
Is it being suggested that users should subscribe to non existent repos for a stable and up to date KDE4.9 system?
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories "I want to..." "Get KDE SC 4.9.x from a relatively safe repository" specifically suggests using the Unstable/playground repo as part of a reasonably stable KDE 4.9 system. (The kind of system you recommended I use at the end of your reply)
It is not saying that average users should use unstable:playground. On the contrary, it says right at the beginning: For Contributors KDE Unstable Playground Alphas, betas and SCM snapshots of KDE applications under development. Then it tells you later on which version of that goes with which SC repo (playground never has and never will have KDE SC packages). But that isn't a recommendation to use unstable:playground, rather it tells you which unstable:playground you need if you want it. unstable:playground has never been part of a "recommended upgrade path".
Perhaps we should re-evaluate that statement, but we should not remove the linked repository until the recommendation is removed or updated as well. We lose credibility as a community when we suggest users follow an upgrade path and they find nothing at the end of it.
That page is essentially is a list of all available repos and what extra repos goes with which core repos, so it goes without saying that if repos are removed then they should be removed from the list of available repos. That is not a major or difficult task, probably not taking more than 5 minutes, so it has no bearing on our decision here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org