I managed to boot the live CD on my notebook, and if this is to show more than some alpha version of KDE 4 I am very, very worried. It looks like the KDE developers went mad and decided to take all the worst ideas of all the other GUIs and put them together. The visual effects are smart - but useless. The panel used to be highly configurable, what I get now is a stupid thing that can't change size, can't hold program icons, can't be folded to free desktop space. Reading the KDE 4 informations, it looks like the plasmoids (didn't find any on the live CD) should lay over the desktop the way Mac OS X does - stupid, you can't use them while you work. On the live CD I can choose widgets, but they come on my desktop, not in whatever has taken the place of kicker. On that bar everything is crowded on the left side once I have removes the "taskbar" applet. So, if this is supposed to show what KDE 4 final will be, I think I'll have to get back to Gentoo to be able to install KDE 3 as long as possible, or even (erk!) start thinking of switching to Gnome.......... I do hope this is just a bad preview and the KDE team did not screw up the best desktop environment I have used - or that some team of capable and intelligent developers will continue the KDE 3 track. Thierry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org