Am Freitag, 4. September 2015, 16:16:56 schrieb Felix Miata:
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-09-04 15:08 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata:
Or if not using Plasma 5?
Depends on *what* you use, obviously. In particular what window manager.
I don't use Gnome, or LXDE, or XFCE, or IceWM (except to check occasionally whether a crash is in K-something-or-other or in Xorg), or Cinnamon, or TWM, or Mate, or Enlightenment.
It doesn't matter what you don't use, but what you use (or want to use) is vital information to answer your question. Why couldn't you just say that you intend to use the KDE4 desktop? Stop playing games if you want help!
What I use used to start with a "K", but it's hard to tell just what it is I'm using in TW.
You should know what you installed. Apparenty you do know that you don't use Plasma5, which is installed by default...
"About KDE" from Help menu has "About KDE" in its window's titlebar, and title "KDE - Be Free!" within the window, but makes no mention of any version.
"About KDE" only gives information about the KDE project. And it didn't give any information about what desktop or window manager you used in KDE 4 either.
This is the KDE mailinglist, and Plasma 5 is the default (and only supported) KDE desktop in Tumbleweed, so I naturally assumed it was Plasma5/KWin5. Maybe it would help to have an opensuse-plasma mailing list and deprecate opensuse-kde?
Ha ha, you're trying to be funny now? This mailinglist is about *all* KDE-related things in openSUSE (except KDE3 which has its own mailinglist, as it's not supported by the openSUSE KD team). Plasma is just KDE's desktop (and it was called "Plasma" in KDE already, btw) If you don't state what you are using, people assume the default. Don't blame me for not being able to read your mind.
You even stated you're running 5.12, which I suppose means the KDE Frameworks5 version. The only mention of your system in your original mail: "TW freshly zypper up'd to 20150831 and now running 5.12.0 on 32 bit 2.8GHz single core P4."
It's not so simple to determine or describe what is being used any more. As Luca wrote, "there won't be a KDE5, ever." http://www.kde.org/ still exists. http://www.kde.org/ still has a graphic "Get KDE Software", and announcements that begin "KDE Releases...". What logic is there that exists "Plasma 5" when (NAICT) where never was any Plasma 1, 2 or 3?
KDE is the project and community that produces software. This software (currently) is KDE Frameworks 5 (the KDE libraries), KDE Plasma 5 (the desktop/workspace), and KDE Applications (currently a mixture of KDE4 based and KF5 based applications). Those three things are released separately, with separate release cycles and different version numbers. So what would a "KDE 5" be in your definition? It just doesn't make sense.
"About KDE" opened from Konsole no longer reports anything to do with any version.
See above. In previous versions it also only gave the version of the KDE Libraries/Frameworks. And that's irrelevant to your problem. I.e. if you run a KDE4 application in Plasma5, you still get "4.x" as version there. If you run a KDE3 application, you get "3.x" regardless of which desktop you use. The desktop and applications are totally independent of each other, and that's nothing new, it was not even new in KDE4. You can run KF5 applications in the KDE4 desktop, KDE4 applications in Plasma5, and both in GNOME or whatever else there is. Why do you expect a KDE application to tell you what desktop you use? Does Libreoffice tell you? Or do GNOME applications tell you which version of gnome-shell you use, for that matter? No.
That 5.12.0 I wrote came from "About Konsole". Looking at rpm -q output it is no longer a simple matter to figure out an applicable version. Instead of libkde* and kde* packages, package names begin with inexplicably mixed case, with only a fraction of them beginning with "kd" anything.
Yes, because there is no such thing as "KDE 5".
You should have told that in the beginning, instead of letting people guess. So what is it that you are asking about now? KDE3 or KDE4?
Again, it looks like broken dependency, something that worked prior to zypper up that no longer would until ascertaining what got lost, what's involved to recover and doing whatever is required.
That's not an answer to my question. I already told you what package you need for Plasma 5. For KDE4 the situation is as follows: As I already wrote, kdeartwork4-desktopthemes is not needed and totally unrelated to the window decorations. kdeartwork4-decorations does contain (additional, optional) window decorations, but it is not needed either (unless you configured kwin to use one of those). It's not even installed in a standard 13.2 KDE(4) installation. The default window decoration ("Oxygen") is in kdebase4-workspace- liboxygenstyle. (and KDE3's default "Plastik" is even part of the kwin package itself) kdebase4-workspace-liboxygenstyle is *required* by kwin, so you cannot really end up without it (unless you break dependencies). The problem you probably had/have IMHO, is that kwin itself is not required by anything but the KDE4 pattern (which I think does not exist any more in Tumbleweed). It is only recommended by kdebase4-workspace (which contains the desktop). So you probably (or quite certainly I think) didn't even have kwin, the KDE4 window manager, installed, which of course means *no* window decorations (and no managed windows at all). I'm not sure this can be regarded as bug or wrong dependencies though, as the KDE4 desktop can also be used with a different window manager. And as the KDE4 desktop is not supported at all in Tumbleweed any more, you are on your own there, in particular if you prevent the installation of recommended packages. I won't go into KDE3 now, since there's a separate mailinglist for this... Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org