7 Oct
2011
7 Oct
'11
18:45
Am Freitag, 7. Oktober 2011, 20:17:58 schrieb Will Stephenson: > On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 11:56:56 Stephan Kulow wrote: > > But this would be a major divergence with upstream's default, > > so I would like to discuss more widely first. What's your oppinion? > > > > Do you prefer virtual desktops or plasma activities? > > This is an oversimplified choice, since you can, if you want, use virtual > desktops inside Activities. > > My opinion (slightly subject to what you actually feel are wrong with > activities, but going with the "are annoying" you posted later in the - they make the icons smaller - the default is no deskto icons whatsoever - when you try to switch to "Photo" you get two broken frames and a popup, which is all very confusing. I'm not saying activities can't give people who think in activities a good way to organize their work. What I question is if we need to force the default user onto activities. > thread) is that we should not go configuring upstream's flagship features > out because Statler and Waldorf find them annoying. That's why I raised it to wide audience and didn't create a patch. > > 1) That way lies stagnation and death - you might as well stop shipping new > versions of KDE after 4.4, or fork the damn thing. Sorry, but that doesn't appear right to me. KDE clearly moves towards a broader scope with mobile and the like, while openSUSE may not prefer to go there by default. So I see it clearly as openSUSE's target to verify if KDE's direction is still ours or if we need to adopt it. > > 2) This sends a terrible message to upstream that we just consider their > features unfixably broken, when instead we should be actively working with > them to communicate problems and suggest fixes. As I said: if openSUSE would move 100% in the direction of where KDE is heading, it would be all clear. But I question that openly. It's just a config option after all. I never said I want to hide the feature, I just want my virtual desktops back per default and have a the firefox icon where it belongs: in full size and not as part of a "Desktop Icons" activitiy. > > 3) Upstream app authors will be coding against new features and we will get > bug reports that people can't find the Activities switcher when they try to > use apps which use Activities. Don't expect them to code their apps to hide > Activity features when the panel does not contain an activity switcher > either. For an example, see the Activity-specific power management options > mentioned in this screencast: > http://drfav.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/power-management-a- new-screencast/ You're aware that you can remove the switcher easily, right? If we remove it or the user does, doesn't matter. there has to be a way to get it back. > > 4) Extra overhead 1: we'll have to document how we are changing upstream's > defaults Did we ever? > > 5) Extra overhead 2: The KDE:Release:* projects, which stick to upstream > defaults, will have to take care that they don't inadvertently ship our > changes. Tss. Not a single :Release: project patched out the "show desktop", dolphin and firefox icon that someone added as part of "SUSE brand" in the default plasma config. So why start worrying now? > > So I think we should identify what's wrong with Activities and see what is > needed to make them work first. Read the thread. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org