Am Freitag, 7. Oktober 2011, 20:17:58 schrieb Will Stephenson:
On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 11:56:56 Stephan Kulow wrote:
But this would be a major divergence with
so I would like to discuss more widely first. What's your oppinion?
Do you prefer virtual desktops or plasma activities?
This is an oversimplified choice, since you can, if you want, use virtual
desktops inside Activities.
My opinion (slightly subject to what you actually feel are wrong with
activities, but going with the "are annoying" you posted later in the
they make the icons smaller
- the default is no deskto icons whatsoever
- when you try to switch to "Photo" you get two broken frames and a
popup, which is all very confusing.
I'm not saying activities can't give people who think in activities a good
way to organize their work. What I question is if we need to force the
default user onto activities.
thread) is that we should not go configuring
upstream's flagship features
out because Statler and Waldorf find them annoying.
That's why I raised it to wide audience and didn't create a patch.
1) That way lies stagnation and death - you might as well stop shipping new
versions of KDE after 4.4, or fork the damn thing.
Sorry, but that doesn't
appear right to me. KDE clearly moves towards a
broader scope with mobile and the like, while openSUSE may not prefer
to go there by default. So I see it clearly as openSUSE's target to verify
if KDE's direction is still ours or if we need to adopt it.
2) This sends a terrible message to upstream that we just consider their
features unfixably broken, when instead we should be actively working with
them to communicate problems and suggest fixes.
As I said: if openSUSE would move
100% in the direction of where KDE is
heading, it would be all clear. But I question that openly. It's just a config
option after all. I never said I want to hide the feature, I just want my
virtual desktops back per default and have a the firefox icon where it
belongs: in full size and not as part of a "Desktop Icons" activitiy.
3) Upstream app authors will be coding against new features and we will get
bug reports that people can't find the Activities switcher when they try to
use apps which use Activities. Don't expect them to code their apps to hide
Activity features when the panel does not contain an activity switcher
either. For an example, see the Activity-specific power management options
mentioned in this screencast:
You're aware that you can remove the switcher easily, right? If we remove it
or the user does, doesn't matter. there has to be a way to get it back.
4) Extra overhead 1: we'll have to document how we are changing upstream's
Did we ever?
5) Extra overhead 2: The KDE:Release:* projects, which stick to upstream
defaults, will have to take care that they don't inadvertently ship our
Tss. Not a single :Release: project patched out the "show
and firefox icon that someone added as part of "SUSE brand" in the default
plasma config. So why start worrying now?
So I think we should identify what's wrong with Activities and see what is
needed to make them work first.
Read the thread.
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