On Monday 28 April 2014 07:01:47 Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/28/2014 03:53 AM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
On Sunday 27 April 2014 07:51:27 stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
New search machine: is there any way to see it's settings or is it thought to be all automagical.
The only settings that exist for Baloo is through the systemsettings (Configure Desktop) and then Desktop Search. However as indicated, the only thing that can be set here are the folders that are to be excluded from the indexing.
Import function of notes: looses all the notes and imported nothing. Not a big issue for me as they where "loosable" but still, who uses it and does not find his notes afterwards.....
This was just fixed upstream and with the next update from KDE:Current, the patch would become available which fixes this issue.
Having just lost all my knotes, which I use quite a lot, and having no way to import then back from my archives, and having a new and undocumented config which, it appears, still doesn't let me override the export format!!!, I am pretty annoyed.
The lost data, is what really annoys me. New features are meaningless in the face of lost data.
Yes. That is why stuff needs to be tested at RC stage. I did, and didn't find this problem. So did many other people, and not find the problem. At some point, reality is that not everything can be fixed, especially if it isn't found.
This phase of upgrade seems to be displaying what I think of as a 'over-maturity' on the part of the KDE team, gratuitous featureism.
The shift with baloo from "index only what I say" to "index everything except what I say" seems nasty minded and out of touch with users.
It's just an UI change meant to make things simpler. Before, your home was indexed by default, it is now. You can disable that - just like before.
Breaking some thing as essential as kmail is another example.
You're talking like the developers kept this bug in on purpose - they didn't. And if you or somebody else would've tested this and found this issue they would have fixed it before. Don't blame the KMail developers for this, it is unfair.
But though all this is the obsession with indexing. The code for this is hard coded into so many components. I think that is very wrong-minded and backward.
KMail has had an index since the beginning of time, just like every other mail client. That they used an external tool to do it makes no difference. There is no obsession here, there is just plain logic - what mail client does not allow you to search your emails?
I'm not OCD but I don't need this search; I organise my files sensibly, isn't that what a hierarchical file system and long names is for? Have these guys never heard of the term 'taxonomy'?
Then disable it. Meanwhile, the majority of computer users DOES use search (Mac, Windows, they have this, too, so does GNOME, all on by default), so it is totally logical that it is enabled by default. It is 2014, not 1990 anymore.
part of the attraction of the old knotes was that I could arrange my notes in a heairarchy. Have we now lost that? The help fcility is more useless than normal and seems to think that we deal in just one note at a time. More 'out of touch with users'.
Ok, sorry if that functionality is lost somehow due to the rewrite - that's due to a lack of resources which leads to a choice: either drop Knotes completely or rewrite it so that it becomes maintainable. They choose the latter, which led to a loss of some features. You can remove Knotes, then you have the alternative. Or keep older versions running. Please understand that there are reasons behind choices that are made and that the KDE developers try to make the best choices possible. The fact that you don't like the outcome doesn't mean a better outcome would have been realistically possible, they might just have had to choose between two bad options. As is the case with Knote. Or they made the most sensible choice, which just happens to not work for a minority (including you) as is the case with Baloo. Sorry for that but that's reality.
Yes I know how to disable indexing. My point is that I don't want the code; it adds complexity and hence the potential for flaws to many situations where its not needed.
If you are going to make use of it then at least make it a plugin.
Fixing the problem of knotes incompatibility and getting my lost data back is all well and good, but why the **** did you produce code that cause it to be lost?
Regular readers will know that I've supported KDE4 though its infancy when many others decried it, and was great to have it mature, but now, well there are terms like "jumped the shark" or "nuked the refrigerator" which apply.
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